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Post by El Goodo on Nov 29, 2023 13:29:25 GMT
Yeah I fundamentally disagree on that haha. But that's OK, so long as you don't boo him when his name's read out Seeing as I know your... proclivities...
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Post by artvandelay on Nov 29, 2023 13:37:28 GMT
Yeah I fundamentally disagree on that haha. But that's OK, so long as you don't boo him when his name's read out Never get booing your own players, at least not when the game is on! I like him, I like his attitude, I just don't think he has the ability to be a number 10.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Nov 29, 2023 13:40:42 GMT
Think the issue is he came through at a time where number 10s who didn't do anything else were in vogue, and now they're not. He's fairly fortunate he stuck at a team with one for so long.
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Post by El Goodo on Nov 29, 2023 13:41:42 GMT
Well he actually came through playing right inside-forward at an Ipswich team playing 4-3-3 in the Championship.
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Post by laker on Nov 29, 2023 14:00:43 GMT
The majority of teams below us did not pick up points last night and we are still four points clear of the drop (as we have been for two or three games now). Laker - clearly I didn't mean just last night. Over the last 5 games Cheltenham, bottom, have won 2 and drawn 1, so have Reading, Fleetwood a win and two draws - us 1 win and a draw. Even terrible Exeter have managed 2 draws. Ignore tham all at your peril but keep clutching at straws and ignore reality. We are being caught. Next game Charlton away. All the best. I deliberately stated “as we have been for two or three games” to emphasise that other sides haven’t been catching us as was basically the crux of your post. I wasn’t clutching straws, as much as it pains me to say it I was Bonner out after Boro and stayed that way, I think it’s the right decision. But we do still have a four point buffer which is worth a hell of a lot more at the bottom of the table than it is at the top.
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Post by madmarvin on Nov 29, 2023 14:06:11 GMT
FWIW I don’t think Bonner has lost the dressing room but they clearly aren’t listening to whatever he’s telling them and sometimes that means a different voice is needed. I am well aware of everything Bonner has done for this club but this kind of scenario would see any other manager sacked (rightly or wrongly). I also don’t believe the board will act yet as despite everything we are still four points outside the drop zone but if this run continues over the next month then action will have to be taken especially as we then have a crucial January transfer window (again). Bonner’s interview once again will only antagonise a lot of our support. I am well aware that people sometimes hear what they want to hear but all I am starting to hear is limp excuses for another abject defeat. We are all aware that competing in this division is tough but we *should* be able to compete with the Northamptons, Burtons, Lincolns, Orients and Cheltenhams of this world and right now we aren’t. We're not even close to competing with them just rolling over. I don't think you can 'lose a dressing room' it's a cliché that means nothing and is used by inarticulate 'experts' about any manager on a terrible run. The players clearly became somewhat disillusioned with tactics due to them becoming more and more ineffective, but that's not the same thing. You're correct when you say that players getting dispirited/disillusioned with team selection/tactics doesn't necessarily constitute "losing" the dressing room but I do believe that it *is* possible when you have certain characters/personalities in your squad. There will always be the type of player who can sow discord in a dressing room for any number of reasons whether it's down to them not being picked, played out of position or simply falling out with the manager on a personal level. This can be contagious and the beginning of the end for any manager/head coach. I don't think the latter scenario applies to this dressing room which is why I said what I did.
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Post by artvandelay on Nov 29, 2023 14:36:35 GMT
I don't think you can 'lose a dressing room' it's a cliché that means nothing and is used by inarticulate 'experts' about any manager on a terrible run. The players clearly became somewhat disillusioned with tactics due to them becoming more and more ineffective, but that's not the same thing. You're correct when you say that players getting dispirited/disillusioned with team selection/tactics doesn't necessarily constitute "losing" the dressing room but I do believe that it *is* possible when you have certain characters/personalities in your squad. There will always be the type of player who can sow discord in a dressing room for any number of reasons whether it's down to them not being picked, played out of position or simply falling out with the manager on a personal level. This can be contagious and the beginning of the end for any manager/head coach. I don't think the latter scenario applies to this dressing room which is why I said what I did. A player sowing discord in a dressing room has no connection to a manager losing it. It is simply a cliché that's repeatedly trotted out with no basis in, well, anything!
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Post by fatherjhackett on Nov 29, 2023 14:40:33 GMT
Bobby Robson's method for an under-performing team was to pick 4-4-2 and simply play the best player who is fit in each position. Back to fundamental basics. Do this. I am desperate for Bonner to succeed, but realise things cannot go on as they are. And I will never disrespect the guy. Come on Mark, sort this out mate. Some count on Twitter or FB (can't remember) was calling for Paul Barry's head. That sort of thing, along with the well-thought out 'Bonner out' quotes are almost worse to endure than the performances FFS. We must be in the sh1t if the cabbages are back... oh how I have missed them! For most of the last desultory 111 years, Abbey & Cambridge United have dined on cabbage, almost exclusively. Along with our ancestors we have enjoyed the occasional banana, thanks to Bonner, Money & Leivers, etc, but mostly we live amongst worms & dung.
We are cabbage. I should like to see the new badge set inside a cabbage & a cabbage-themed away kit.
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Post by artvandelay on Nov 29, 2023 14:57:04 GMT
We must be in the sh1t if the cabbages are back... oh how I have missed them! For most of the last desultory 111 years, Abbey & Cambridge United have dined on cabbage, almost exclusively. Along with our ancestors we have enjoyed the occasional banana, thanks to Bonner, Money & Leivers, etc, but mostly we live amongst worms & dung.
We are cabbage. I should like to see the new badge set inside a cabbage & a cabbage-themed away kit.
There's a joke about being brassica in there, but I'm not going to be the one to make it!
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Post by madmarvin on Nov 29, 2023 15:25:52 GMT
You're correct when you say that players getting dispirited/disillusioned with team selection/tactics doesn't necessarily constitute "losing" the dressing room but I do believe that it *is* possible when you have certain characters/personalities in your squad. There will always be the type of player who can sow discord in a dressing room for any number of reasons whether it's down to them not being picked, played out of position or simply falling out with the manager on a personal level. This can be contagious and the beginning of the end for any manager/head coach. I don't think the latter scenario applies to this dressing room which is why I said what I did. A player sowing discord in a dressing room has no connection to a manager losing it. It is simply a cliché that's repeatedly trotted out with no basis in, well, anything! It's all word play at the end of the day.
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