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Post by Funky Monk on Jul 6, 2024 12:08:59 GMT
Got a lot of time for the Timpson appointment.
Always been a bit of a unsung hero for the company approach to rehabilitation.
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Post by Brophypants on Jul 6, 2024 12:33:37 GMT
A small state, lower taxation, a greater emphasis on personal responsibility. Greater freedom. Instead we now have a Prime Minister who thinks some women have penises... He is either a liar who doesn't actually believe that, or a degenerate. It's really grim. Freedom from, or freedom to? Because making sure everyone has freedom from abuse, say, means some people inevitably have their freedom to abuse limited. And who is going to do that policing? This small state that you'd have replaced with corporations whose only aim is to make money for their shareholders? Lower taxation so you can benefit from the schools and the roads and the hospitals and the care for your older relatives but don't have to pay into it yourself? The cult of personal responsibility has little basis in reality. It's an inherently selfish ideology of pulling someone else's ladder up once you've climbed it and claiming you did all the work anyway. Until you find a way to exist in a vacuum, it's really in everyone's--yours included--best interests for you to at least consider how many things interact with and impact each other every day. We don't need more personal responsibility. We need more social responsibility. We need people to open their eyes to the systemic causes of systemic problems and stop going oh well this guy was a degenerate he doesn't count. We could do with less transphobia when we're on a discussion forum about a football team we all support, too. No one denies your right to exist or challenges your identity. Be reasonable enough to extend the courtesy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 14:49:30 GMT
Men pretending to be women and invading their personal spaces isn't remotely the same as homosexuality. Being gay doesn't affect anyone else. One is a sexual orientation, the other an identy - a pure fantasy not based in any reality. Interesting… do you not consider your sexual orientation a part of your identity? I know I do and an important part, at that. And being homosexual was certainly considered to affect others in the heyday of wide spread, restrictive, societal homophobia. The same vicious lies about threats to women, children and the irrevocable corruption of our way of life were spouted with certainty then too. Being trans is not someone’s entire identity, rather a thread woven with others to create REAL, WHOLE, NUANCED individuals despite ignorant/uneducated/reactionary/bigoted (delete as appropriate) people trying to boil them down to a single marker of wrongness. There are certainly conversations to be had, especially around sport, but those conversations cannot start when one side think the other simply shouldn’t exist. Trans people are not new, they have been co-existing with you way before the media alerted you to the fact and led you down such a hateful path. Do I consider my sexual orientation part of my identity? No. And I don't know any normal person who does. It's utterly bizarre. I happen be be a straight male. I don't identify as anything - it's just what I am. |
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 6, 2024 14:56:00 GMT
Interesting… do you not consider your sexual orientation a part of your identity? I know I do and an important part, at that. And being homosexual was certainly considered to affect others in the heyday of wide spread, restrictive, societal homophobia. The same vicious lies about threats to women, children and the irrevocable corruption of our way of life were spouted with certainty then too. Being trans is not someone’s entire identity, rather a thread woven with others to create REAL, WHOLE, NUANCED individuals despite ignorant/uneducated/reactionary/bigoted (delete as appropriate) people trying to boil them down to a single marker of wrongness. There are certainly conversations to be had, especially around sport, but those conversations cannot start when one side think the other simply shouldn’t exist. Trans people are not new, they have been co-existing with you way before the media alerted you to the fact and led you down such a hateful path. Do I consider my sexual orientation part of my identity? No. And I don't know any normal person who does. It's utterly bizarre. I happen be be a straight male. I don't identify as anything - it's just what I am. You literally just identified as a straight male! |
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Post by joffjog on Jul 6, 2024 14:57:10 GMT
You stating you are straight is literally an identity, if you are fully accepting of homosexual people and their equal existence.
If someone assumed you were gay and you knew this was their assumption, would you correct them? If you would, then it is an important part of your identity.
And how do you explain the change in stance towards homosexual people, which only a few decades ago was much closer to that which trans people experience today?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 15:14:20 GMT
Do I consider my sexual orientation part of my identity? No. And I don't know any normal person who does. It's utterly bizarre. I happen be be a straight male. I don't identify as anything - it's just what I am. You literally just identified as a straight male! No I didn't. I told you what I happen to be. It is not an identity. I don't identify as anything. Can I identify as a certain race? Or is that something biological and genetic that just so happens to be? Exactly like sex is. |
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 6, 2024 15:15:58 GMT
Identity: the fact of being who or what a person or thing is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 15:17:27 GMT
You stating you are straight is literally an identity, if you are fully accepting of homosexual people and their equal existence. If someone assumed you were gay and you knew this was their assumption, would you correct them? If you would, then it is an important part of your identity. And how do you explain the change in stance towards homosexual people, which only a few decades ago was much closer to that which trans people experience today? So does a doctor assign sex at birth, or observe it? |
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Post by joffjog on Jul 6, 2024 15:26:21 GMT
Actually done with you now. You’re clearly homophobic as well as transphobic. Or else you would answer my questions. Sexual orientation cannot be identified biologically or genetically so, according to your logic, does not exist.
I, as a woman, am who you are protecting from these evil trans identifiers, right? The fact is, you are more of a threat to my safety than any trans person. That is proven, statistical fact when looked at proportionally, so why not ban all men from the Abbey so I can enjoy my football team (I also identify as a U) in guaranteed safety?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 15:50:25 GMT
You stating you are straight is literally an identity, if you are fully accepting of homosexual people and their equal existence. If someone assumed you were gay and you knew this was their assumption, would you correct them? If you would, then it is an important part of your identity. And how do you explain the change in stance towards homosexual people, which only a few decades ago was much closer to that which trans people experience today? If someone assumed I was gay? I wouldn't really care. I'd correct them as it would be incorrect. If someone thought I was French, I'd do the same. Doesn't mean I hate the French or that I really give a rubbish - it's just not correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 16:20:51 GMT
Actually done with you now. You’re clearly homophobic as well as transphobic. Or else you would answer my questions. Sexual orientation cannot be identified biologically or genetically so, according to your logic, does not exist. I, as a woman, am who you are protecting from these evil trans identifiers, right? The fact is, you are more of a threat to my safety than any trans person. That is proven, statistical fact when looked at proportionally, so why not ban all men from the Abbey so I can enjoy my football team (I also identify as a U) in guaranteed safety? Ha! Why not call me a racist, too. Then you can complete your leftie bingo card. Those words have been thrown around so much, and so incorrectly, that they have no meaning anymore. I actually identify as a gay and trans ally. |
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 6, 2024 16:50:06 GMT
Actually done with you now. You’re clearly homophobic as well as transphobic. Or else you would answer my questions. Sexual orientation cannot be identified biologically or genetically so, according to your logic, does not exist. I, as a woman, am who you are protecting from these evil trans identifiers, right? The fact is, you are more of a threat to my safety than any trans person. That is proven, statistical fact when looked at proportionally, so why not ban all men from the Abbey so I can enjoy my football team (I also identify as a U) in guaranteed safety? Ha! Why not call me a racist, too. Then you can complete your leftie bingo card. Those words have been thrown around so much, and so incorrectly, that they have no meaning anymore. I actually identify as a gay and trans ally. You really don't understand language! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 16:54:58 GMT
Ha! Why not call me a racist, too. Then you can complete your leftie bingo card. Those words have been thrown around so much, and so incorrectly, that they have no meaning anymore. I actually identify as a gay and trans ally. You really don't understand language! Do I not? How so? |
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 6, 2024 16:56:41 GMT
Read above.
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