Brophypants
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Post by Brophypants on Sept 25, 2024 8:24:23 GMT
Jesus wept. Rayner, Reeve and Mrs Balls talk nothing but constant sound bites and now Kier Stalin talks about his dinner or something else was on his mind. The buffoonery is on a level with Boris, Liz and JRM already. God help us with these muppets in charge. Meme heaven for the future though. It's not, though, is it? |
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Post by cambsno on Sept 25, 2024 10:36:35 GMT
Jesus wept. Rayner, Reeve and Mrs Balls talk nothing but constant sound bites and now Kier Stalin talks about his dinner or something else was on his mind. The buffoonery is on a level with Boris, Liz and JRM already. God help us with these muppets in charge. Meme heaven for the future though. Oh, and no-one on here has ever said the wrong word have they! |
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Post by barry on Sept 25, 2024 14:15:09 GMT
Jesus wept. Rayner, Reeve and Mrs Balls talk nothing but constant sound bites and now Kier Stalin talks about his dinner or something else was on his mind. The buffoonery is on a level with Boris, Liz and JRM already. God help us with these muppets in charge. Meme heaven for the future though. Oh, and no-one on here has ever said the wrong word have they! Don’t think any of us would have seen the words “release the hostages” written in front of us and thought that saying “release the sausages” was the thing to say. Just as well really because the rest of his speech said nothing at all. And another 20k for Starmer today in his trough. Assume you can justify this one too? |
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Sept 25, 2024 14:26:58 GMT
It's weird that certain people have a sudden interest in political donations. The bigger injustice is the acceptance that journalists can camp outside someone's private home and harass family and children.
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Post by barry on Sept 25, 2024 16:07:54 GMT
It's weird that certain people have a sudden interest in political donations. The bigger injustice is the acceptance that journalists can camp outside someone's private home and harass family and children. Probably because they are happy to take £300 off pensioners but continue to feather their own nests. A bit hypocritical don’t you think? |
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Post by Funky Monk on Sept 25, 2024 16:15:41 GMT
It's weird that certain people have a sudden interest in political donations. The bigger injustice is the acceptance that journalists can camp outside someone's private home and harass family and children. Probably because they are happy to take £300 off pensioners but continue to feather their own nests. A bit hypocritical don’t you think? Wealthy pensioners, it doesn't affect anyone who can't afford it. They've not done anything to undo the mechanisms put in place by the last lot to ensure these people are continually enriched, so people fortunate enough to be of that generation are still better off. They have obviously been enriching themselves too, as we've seen, but again, barely registers as a footnote compared to the last lot. |
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Post by barry on Sept 25, 2024 16:53:38 GMT
Probably because they are happy to take £300 off pensioners but continue to feather their own nests. A bit hypocritical don’t you think? Wealthy pensioners, it doesn't affect anyone who can't afford it. They've not done anything to undo the mechanisms put in place by the last lot to ensure these people are continually enriched, so people fortunate enough to be of that generation are still better off. They have obviously been enriching themselves too, as we've seen, but again, barely registers as a footnote compared to the last lot. “Wealthy pensioners”? Now you really are having a laugh. Go on define wealthy, I will get my pop corn |
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Post by neilmc4 on Sept 25, 2024 17:57:28 GMT
Jesus wept. Rayner, Reeve and Mrs Balls talk nothing but constant sound bites and now Kier Stalin talks about his dinner or something else was on his mind. The buffoonery is on a level with Boris, Liz and JRM already. God help us with these muppets in charge. Meme heaven for the future though. Oh, and no-one on here has ever said the wrong word have they! Sadly (for some on here at least) Starmer was completely upstaged yesterday by Alex Hartley commentating on the England v Australia ODI on TMS - "You can`t just come in and go crash wang bollock." Gold standard Colemanballs. |
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Sept 25, 2024 22:53:08 GMT
Probably because they are happy to take £300 off pensioners but continue to feather their own nests. A bit hypocritical don’t you think? They've not done anything to undo the mechanisms put in place by the last lot to ensure these people are continually enriched, so people fortunate enough to be of that generation are still better off. They have obviously been enriching themselves too, as we've seen, but again, barely registers as a footnote compared to the last lot. The legislation on winter fuel payments excludes struggling pensioners who are on housing benefit but not on pension credit and those who are home owners who have incomes just above the pension credit entitlement threshold. Was laid only a few months before Winter so those on modest incomes that have now been excluded will have budgeted for a winter fuel payment they will now not get. I think it is a massive own goal by the government for the sake of just £1.3 billion in savings. There is a significant cohort of pensioners who have incomes in excess of £40k pa in the UK and I think it fair enough to stop awards of the winter fuel payment to those pensioners but it was a poor decision to take it from those not on pension credit who are struggling on low incomes. I think there is also a good case for not removing it from anyone who is over 80 as older pensioners feel the cold far more. Is there really going to be much of a saving made when so many older people will now be rationing their fuel use, becoming unwell, necessitating increased expenditure on nhs and social care services with increasing numbers ending up unable to continue living in the community. Frankly, the government bangs on about the £22 billion black hole and targets pensioners when they should be targeting those who really are wealthy. I think it was just plain stupid to target pensioners who mostly usually vote conservative and but did not bother to vote at the general election because of partygate and liz truss trashing the economy but have now been galavanised to turn out for the next general election. I can't work out what the political thinking is with this. The left don't like it and the right don't like it. Walking down the middle of the road they are getting hit by the traffic coming both ways. |
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Brophypants
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Post by Brophypants on Sept 26, 2024 8:16:37 GMT
Wealthy pensioners, it doesn't affect anyone who can't afford it. They've not done anything to undo the mechanisms put in place by the last lot to ensure these people are continually enriched, so people fortunate enough to be of that generation are still better off. They have obviously been enriching themselves too, as we've seen, but again, barely registers as a footnote compared to the last lot. The legislation on winter fuel payments excludes struggling pensioners who are on housing benefit but not on pension credit and those who are home owners who have incomes just above the pension credit entitlement threshold. Was laid only a few months before Winter so those on modest incomes that have now been excluded will have budgeted for a winter fuel payment they will now not get. I think it is a massive own goal by the government for the sake of just £1.3 billion in savings. There is a significant cohort of pensioners who have incomes in excess of £40k pa in the UK and I think it fair enough to stop awards of the winter fuel payment to those pensioners but it was a poor decision to take it from those not on pension credit who are struggling on low incomes. I think there is also a good case for not removing it from anyone who is over 80 as older pensioners feel the cold far more. Is there really going to be much of a saving made when so many older people will now be rationing their fuel use, becoming unwell, necessitating increased expenditure on nhs and social care services with increasing numbers ending up unable to continue living in the community. Frankly, the government bangs on about the £22 billion black hole and targets pensioners when they should be targeting those who really are wealthy. I think it was just plain stupid to target pensioners who mostly usually vote conservative and but did not bother to vote at the general election because of partygate and liz truss trashing the economy but have now been galavanised to turn out for the next general election. I can't work out what the political thinking is with this. The left don't like it and the right don't like it. Walking down the middle of the road they are getting hit by the traffic coming both ways. The narrative about it has been all wrong, too. They say it's going to both help plug the "black hole" and it's also going to "save the NHS", but they also say the NHS aren't going to get any new money, and it's definitely going to cost the NHS because there will be more ill pensioners at the same time that hospitals are typically getting battered by illnesses. This is a massive own goal, and (to use the term his supporters used to argue why he was right not to challenge the conservatives more in opposition) is a big use of political capital over not very much at all. |
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Post by Funky Monk on Sept 28, 2024 9:15:05 GMT
In the context of them now giving £1.5bn in freebies to "their type of pensioners", yes a ridiculous own goal.
Even if the principle was fine.
Walking down the road getting hit by both sides is a fine analogy, it's like they're speed running trying to hand number 10 to The Disgrace of Uttlesford!
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Post by barry on Oct 4, 2024 0:03:55 GMT
In the context of them now giving £1.5bn in freebies to "their type of pensioners", yes a ridiculous own goal. Even if the principle was fine. Walking down the road getting hit by both sides is a fine analogy, it's like they're speed running trying to hand number 10 to The Disgrace of Uttlesford! Still trying to work out how you define a pensioner on £13k per annum as “wealthy”? |
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Post by lesj on Oct 4, 2024 7:50:44 GMT
In the context of them now giving £1.5bn in freebies to "their type of pensioners", yes a ridiculous own goal. Even if the principle was fine. Walking down the road getting hit by both sides is a fine analogy, it's like they're speed running trying to hand number 10 to The Disgrace of Uttlesford! [/b] Very good point, as a pensioner any income I get over £12,570per year (£241.73p per week) I still have to pay 20% tax on |
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Post by saltyvinegar on Oct 4, 2024 9:11:38 GMT
Still trying to work out how you define a pensioner on £13k per annum as “wealthy”? [/b] Very good point, as a pensioner any income I get over £12,570per year (£241.73p per week) I still have to pay 20% tax on[/quote] I'm not arguing over definitions of "pension wealth" but the state pension is covered by the current tax allowances & any personal pension you have above that level was partly based on your own contributions that received at least 20% tax rebates (£100 contribution actually cost you no more than £80). Other than the 25% tax-free lump sum, the treasury will always tax the pension as you receive it (same goes for interest on savings above a nominal amount) |
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Post by cambsno on Oct 4, 2024 9:21:18 GMT
There are frankly far too many pensioners who do not need that extra payment. This is the generation that will have the best standard of living of any of us, who benefitted from cheap housing and are often sitting in houses worth a lot of money, add in a number may be on final salary pensions etc... and at times it is hard to feel much sympathy. Not forgetting this is the generation that (according to the stats) most likely voted for Brexit and the pain the rest of us will suffer over the next 20 or so years as a result!
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