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Post by Andrewlang on Jul 4, 2024 10:33:58 GMT
"If Hamas hadn’t invaded Israel then Gaza would still be intact FACT, so no further debate needed"
Fact perhaps, but it's certainly not where the discussion starts or ends in regards to the conflict. It's a very simplistic view to suggest otherwise.
Andrew
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 4, 2024 10:38:30 GMT
No answer then? I find it utterly bizarre that the same people who give out about foreigners( like me, but im acceptable these days, wasn't a generation back) coming here and England needs to fight back and is full are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for people to come from all over the world to wipe Palestine and its people off the map. As always, when this hypocrisy is pointed out they go silent. If Hamas hadn’t invaded Israel then Gaza would still be intact FACT, so no further debate needed. It would still be intact as the world's largest open-air prison. |
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Post by cambsno on Jul 4, 2024 10:51:25 GMT
Couldn't believe Lab in my area lives in Sth London, lost the chance to get my vote!
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Post by cambsno on Jul 4, 2024 10:52:28 GMT
Explain how they could be any worse? What is is, 5 leaders in 5 years or something? In fighting at the expense of the country. A f***ed up Brexit that has cost us many billions in GDP and earnings. Bad economy, bad NHS, scandal after scandal, promises to sort immigration and keep messing that up... The Tories have done as many good things this last 3 years as Brophy has goals in the same period!! Yep, the Tories have been crap. Your point is? We might as well try someone else! Would we persist with a striker that has 0 goals in 40 games? |
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Post by barry on Jul 4, 2024 10:55:24 GMT
Yep, the Tories have been crap. Your point is? We might as well try someone else! Would we persist with a striker that has 0 goals in 40 games? Persisting with a winger with one goal seems to be popular though. |
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Post by MartinL on Jul 4, 2024 11:44:26 GMT
It didn’t start on October 7th. October 7th was retaliation. On the 6th of October Labib Dmaidi, who had just turned 19 was shot dead by Israeli settlers. On October 5th, four Palestinians were murdered; three by the 'world's most moral army(tm)' and one by Israeli settlers. Several air strikes had been conducted by Israel long before October 7th, many on refugee camps. Between June and October 7th of last year there were 52 deaths in Jenin refugee camp alone. That doesn't absolve the atrocities of October 7th, but this bizarre need to hold Israeli lives as more important than those of Palestinians, be they Muslim, Christian or secular is what enables this genocide to take place. Anyway back to Labour, the councils they run in England and the government in Wales and how they have screwed the NHS there. They don’t have a clue how to manage money, this next 5 years is going to be a big disappointment for so many when they realise just how bad Labour are, even in comparison with the Tories. Oh poppet are you conveniently forgetting the Tory councils that went tits up? You’ve got nothing but a bigoted world view gleaned from the right wing media. I will think of you in the morning while you are crying in your Wetherspoons breakfast but only for about 2 seconds while relishing the fact that the tories have been obliterated. |
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Post by Funky Monk on Jul 4, 2024 12:05:08 GMT
Genocide is a word with meaning, so throwing it around for this conflict is a pointless endeavour.
Anyway, I digress, been to vote and was surprised to find one of the candidates had a Cambridge address! Briefly tempted me, but I stuck with the NORTHERN BASTARD who I was going to vote for anyway.
Looking forward to falling asleep during the coverage this evening, it'll be good practice for the match on Saturday either way.
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Post by martinjohn on Jul 4, 2024 12:51:43 GMT
No answer then? I find it utterly bizarre that the same people who give out about foreigners( like me, but im acceptable these days, wasn't a generation back) coming here and England needs to fight back and is full are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for people to come from all over the world to wipe Palestine and its people off the map. As always, when this hypocrisy is pointed out they go silent. If Hamas hadn’t invaded Israel then Gaza would still be intact FACT, so no further debate needed. Just checking, so I understand, Israel killing over 50,000 Palestinians and displacing 90% of the population is justified because Hamas (and IDS misfire) killed over 1,000 Israelis? As there's no further debate needed, I assume you're OK with that? Also, when you say Gaza would still be intact, which bits of Gaza do you mean? Do you mean the bits that hadn't already been made inhospitable or colonised by Israeli settlers? |
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 4, 2024 13:46:58 GMT
Genocide is a word with meaning, so throwing it around for this conflict is a pointless endeavour. Anyway, I digress, been to vote and was surprised to find one of the candidates had a Cambridge address! Briefly tempted me, but I stuck with the NORTHERN BASTARD who I was going to vote for anyway. Looking forward to falling asleep during the coverage this evening, it'll be good practice for the match on Saturday either way. It isn't pointless and it's certainly not being thrown around. Nobody will know how bad this is until it's over and far, far too many people in power have skin in the game. Never again has to mean never, ever again. |
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Post by Funky Monk on Jul 4, 2024 14:06:26 GMT
It hasn't been thrown around? Have you not seen any protests, twitter or even this thread?
It is pointless, because it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater and reduces the impact of the horrors of this conflict. The word has a meaning, and misusing it is harmful.
Hopefully this conflict doesn't go on too much longer.
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Post by artvandelay on Jul 4, 2024 14:34:33 GMT
It hasn't been thrown around? Have you not seen any protests, twitter or even this thread? It is pointless, because it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater and reduces the impact of the horrors of this conflict. The word has a meaning, and misusing it is harmful. Hopefully this conflict doesn't go on too much longer. How is it being misused? Calling it out is absolutely vital. |
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Post by imp566 on Jul 4, 2024 14:38:36 GMT
The Tories did well last time not because of Boris , but because of Brexit. That was what the majority of people wanted & that was what he was spouting.Why the Tories made him the leader I will never know. He was known to be a liar & a cheat before he ever became leader I'm not sure Brexit was the deciding factor, the vote was hardly a ringing endorsement of the country's wishes (52% - 48%) and far more people voted the Conservatives in than voted for Brexit. The last election was also 3 years after Brexit was voted for, by which time, some of the holes in the promises were being seen. |
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Post by Brophypants on Jul 4, 2024 15:25:26 GMT
You sit there claiming people don't know anything about politics and then spout this rubbish? The Tories didn't keep Corbyn out. The Labour right did. I'm all for politeness in political debate, but if someone's going to be a knob and peddle horseshit propaganda about vulnerable people like "benefits scroungers" then my benefit of the doubt quickly evaporates. That’s rubbish. The Tories got a higher percentage than what Labour will today because nobody wanted Corbyn and Boris was seen as a safer option. Labour has a history of giving out benefits to those who see living on them as their right so don’t go all bloody righteous on me and pretend that didn’t happen. Also I guess you want to tax the wealth and job creators again, which just drives our entrepreneurs abroad. Wealth distribution is toxic and that’s what will happen when the lefties and unions push Starmer aside. Sorry chap, but if you're not feeling very righteous you've only got yourself to blame. It's not too late to learn to care about other people. |
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Post by kentishu on Jul 4, 2024 21:28:36 GMT
So looks like Starmer has managed to get a lower vote share than Corbyn did in 2017. Against a pathetically weak and corrupt government that almost everyone detests. Not much of a victory really, is it?
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Corbyn 2017 12.9m
Corbyn 2019 10.2m
Starmer 2024 9.7m
That's the number of people voting Labour.
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Post by barry on Jul 4, 2024 22:21:08 GMT
Welcome to unfettered access to the Uk for immigrants and acceptance of applications for all those already being detained here. What a country.
Single market or customs union with the EU next, with freedom of movement included?
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