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Post by oliworth on Jun 14, 2011 6:25:07 GMT
what would be really ironic is if they went down and we got promoted, not holding my breath on the latter admittedly! That wouldn't be ironic, but it would be good (nothing in particular against Turkey or Ling, just for our part of the deal!). As for McClaren, I think he could be a very good appointment for Forest. Leaving aside his disastrous England spell (which should never have been allowed to happen), his performance at Middlesborough was good (two FA Cup Semi-Finals, first ever major silverware, European final, highest EPL finish, most successful manager in their history...!). Even if you arbitrarily and ridiculously only focus on his league form - which was still good at Middlesborough - then his league form at Twente, winning them their first ever league title, should show that the man's not as much of a fool as he looked on that rainy night at Wembley.
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Post by cufcdaves on Jun 14, 2011 8:02:18 GMT
Two defeats all season in that title-winning season, too.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 14, 2011 9:54:33 GMT
"It's all semantics when you're using adjectives really, but in terms of their league form I certainly don't think he did anything out of the ordinary or above expectation." He took them to their highest ever league finish. That's actually not true! He did have that one season where they finished 7th but on the whole their form was average. He certainly seemed to have a knack for good cup runs though and all competitions should really be taken into account.
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Post by pct on Jun 14, 2011 9:55:36 GMT
Just like the man himself, they were incredibly dull to watch IIRC.
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Post by cufcdaves on Jun 14, 2011 10:28:50 GMT
"It's all semantics when you're using adjectives really, but in terms of their league form I certainly don't think he did anything out of the ordinary or above expectation." He took them to their highest ever league finish. That's actually not true! He did have that one season where they finished 7th but on the whole their form was average. He certainly seemed to have a knack for good cup runs though and all competitions should really be taken into account. Pehaps not ever, no, but certainly in the modern era.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 14, 2011 10:59:50 GMT
Yep, joint-highest finish of 7th. Not to be sniffed at. They were otherwise midtable, which is probably about right for the squad/resources they had - although you could argue they might have done better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 12:01:40 GMT
He needs to get Forest into the playoffs at least just to achieve par for the course. And he will have a good number of sceptics at the City Ground waiting for things to go wrong. The brolly and that ridiculous contrived accent aren't easily forgotten.
So if he does get them promoted that will be all the more credit to him. I won't be putting any money on it though.
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Post by edhaygarth on Jun 14, 2011 12:48:46 GMT
I'll bump this thread in May when Forest and Torquay have been promoted and the 'Jezoloution' (surely the worst concept any U's fan has ever come up with?) lies in tatters.
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Post by willjones on Jun 14, 2011 12:52:38 GMT
Ed, you were always such a happy soul...what's happened?! :-(
Will
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Post by pct on Jun 14, 2011 12:58:18 GMT
I'll bump this thread in May when Forest and Torquay have been promoted and the 'Jezoloution' (surely the worst concept any U's fan has ever come up with?) lies in tatters.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 14, 2011 13:01:43 GMT
I'm with Ed.
A team of young, ambitious footballers, many of them homegrown, playing for a manager who puts the interests of the club first just isn't reason enough to be excited about anything.
The fact we might edge closer to becoming a stable business with a long-term future is also completely underwhelming.
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Post by cufcdaves on Jun 14, 2011 13:06:23 GMT
Marriage *insert picture of ball & chain*
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Post by willjones on Jun 14, 2011 13:14:25 GMT
Lol, Russ you are such a scamp...!
In fairness, we've seen absolute and complete turmoil at this club for three of the last four summers. What I'm excited about is the fact that the only constant, stable and ever improving department at the club in the last six years has been led by Jez, with a culture and work ethic which has made progress and sucsess almost inevitable. We now, finally, have that direct leadership, culture and infectious ambition infused into the first team operations at the club. Jez will not rest, nor allow any of his players or staff to. He demands high and exacting standards and achieves them through inspirational and directive planning and leadership. We've NEVER had anything like this at the club since Beck in the early 90's...and that's why I'm excited becasue it's exactly what we need.
Time will, as ever, be the judge. We have seen and heard talk of planning, stability, sustainability and leadership...and seen it all turn to dust so many times in recent years. In him though, and his regime, we have demonstrated sucsess at building something and whilst there is never any gaurntee of sucsess, under Jez I'm as excited and confident of our ability to progress as a club as I've ever been.
Will
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Post by edhaygarth on Jun 14, 2011 16:37:38 GMT
Russ- very good. We're not stable yet though are we?
Dave- Up yours (although perhaps a grain of truth). Up yours none-the-less
Will- I was a happy soul when people were criticising Pitt, Brabin and anyone else who was relatively successful. I couldn't see how people would call for a managers head when we were lying 3rd, 4th, 5th or whatever. I've sat here being positive for four summers and i no longer get excited by signings, but results. Jez, whilst moving in the right direction, has proved nothing yet and it certainly ISN'T a revolution.
AND I hate one-eyed football fans and we seem to have more than most...
I will promise to try harder though
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Post by cufcdaves on Jun 14, 2011 17:08:41 GMT
:-)
Also, I actually agree with you in part, Ed. Until the departure of Wright today we had moved no further to stabilisation whatsoever. In fact, we had gone even further the other way with four new arrivals to pay for and nobody having left. We could still quite realistically be lumbered with a number of players that we simply cannot afford and then what? All the best intentions and plans in the world are no good until they are put in to action.
Having said that, the mere fact that these intentions/plans are lieing in wait is good news in itself and we've obviously begun to see the fruits of that labour with Wright's departure.
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