Andrewlang
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 20, 2011 21:25:36 GMT
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Post by Actually Valid Username on Jun 20, 2011 21:29:07 GMT
"I have heard that they are going to build a huge Mollusc on Mill Road. Surely it is not nearly underwater or salty enough for a Mollusc in that area? Furthermore, the market for pearls will collapse with this oversupply. This is intolerable"
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Post by gstictok on Jun 21, 2011 11:11:28 GMT
Thinking of joining the counter demo can't have facists marching without opposition.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 21, 2011 11:33:23 GMT
EDL marches are soooo Luton/Peterborough.
I guess there are no borders preventing the spread of ignorance. I said ignorace...I'm not one of them.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 21, 2011 13:29:19 GMT
Very, very sad that EDL are wishing to march in Cambridge, and I would imagine that in this, which is one of the most tolerant and liberal cities in the World (let alone the UK) they will only get limited support - probably from lager swilling louts with nothing better to do.
THAT SAID........ Mill Road has not changed for the better over the past few years, and in reality it is getting dirtier and more unpleasant by the week. Tesco tried to improve things a bit, but got their windows put in for their trouble. I'm not sure that the new Mosque will fit well in Mill Road, and the size of it is concerning to a lot of people, anti-islamist or just plain normal folk like myself who feel that it is very out of keeping with the area.
Unfortunately the heart of the problem is that Mill Road has become very 'Asian' very quickly, where you could argue that it is at risk of being a bit of a Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi area - the mosque will simply add to that. If Cambridge is truly an international community, which I believe it is and welcome very strongly, having particular streets or neighbourhoods become too influenced by one culture or another is not healthy and harmonious integration - hence morons like EDL seize the opportunity and come for a scrap.
I would be much happier if a better, more central location could be found for the mosque (perhaps the old Bingo Hall which seems never to be getting permission to open as a mega-club) where the mosque could then sit rightfully at the centre of the whole City community just as churches such as Great St Marys do for CofE or Our Lady does for the Catholic population. Frankly, problem of EDL solved overnight.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 21, 2011 14:07:29 GMT
Is it really reasonable to suggest that particular streets/areas/neighbourhoods should not become "too influenced by one culture or another"?
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Post by imp566 on Jun 21, 2011 14:10:32 GMT
It happens in most towns/cities, the immigrant population tends to stick close by each other. It does have a habit of making districts of towns "No go areas" for people who feel intimidated by their presence in numbers.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 21, 2011 14:16:17 GMT
No, its not reasonable to suggest that at all. What I am saying though is that groups like EDL pick on particular areas such as Mill Road which are, and are still becoming, heavily influenced by one 'grouped' culture (remember the cultures of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are wildly different in many areas). If the whole City was cross cultural, whereby no particular cultural or ethnic grouping was larger or smaller than any other (proportionately of course) then potential 'trouble spots' such as Mill Road (when I say 'trouble' I mean in EDL mentality terms) would not exist.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 21, 2011 14:23:15 GMT
But you seem to be suggesting that's a situation (particular areas defined by a strong sense of cultural identity) you would like to avoid. In fact, you explicitly state it.
It's almost like pandering to the EDL and other groups like them - oh, if it's going to upset them, we had better not do it!
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 21, 2011 15:11:47 GMT
I'm not pandering to the EDL at all Russ, but what I am saying is that if you want to encourage a stronger sense of 'community' then having one area of a City so taken over by one group or another is not exactly wise. It simply breeds discontent amongst the less intelligent members of the native populace.
I personally do not have a problem with Mill Road being Asian, Histon Road being full of prostitutes, The Backs being full of Students and Cherry Hinton Road having a large Italian population. It is just what Cambridge is, like any cosmopolitan city. However, your average knuckle dragging moron in an 'England My Country' Vest does have a problem with it, and then poor little taxpayers like you and I pay for the consequences. And that does piss me off.
Maybe we should just name Mill Road 'Islamabad' and have done with it :-)
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 21, 2011 16:41:52 GMT
But you are pandering to them! As you rightly say, people with an ounce of intelligence do not have a problem with areas of Cambridge becoming synonymous with a particular culture, but you go on to say that such instances should be avoided so as to appease "less intelligent...knuckle dragging moron(s)".
You're saying that, because it annoys EDL types, it should be avoided, even though most right-thinking people aren't remotely bothered!
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 21, 2011 17:32:03 GMT
Ahh, but Russ, you've missed (or I haven't articulated it very well) the absolute heart of my argument here. I suggest that by not encouraging full integration of cultures that the development of a better cultural understanding is almost impossible. Rather than me pandering to EDL the EDL is pandering to the mis-guided thought processes of those who might already be feeling uncomfortable with a racial imbalance in a particular area!
Simply put, EDL is playing on the thought that those in the wider community are worried about part of their City becoming an Islamic ghetto and, to use a term which can be used about many extreme factions, left, right and religious, are 'rabble rousing'.
What I'm suggesting is that if communities were or are better integrated then the 'fear factor' amongst some would reduce and the EDL wouldn't have a captive market to pitch to.
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Post by Actually Valid Username on Jun 21, 2011 17:46:37 GMT
I agree, diversity is key to integrated society and several instances of places with racial disputes/problems have been solved through less separated societies. If you grow up meeting only one type of person, you are only friends with those of your religion etc and when someone enters that circle you stick up for your friends (Most of the time arguments arise when strangers meet each other) so you push others away and are not forced to spend time with them so you don't get links between others and outsiders are kept outside
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 21, 2011 18:03:29 GMT
I'm not sure if integration consists of preventing people from creating culturally homogenous areas in certain cities, it doesn't have to be a problem - in fact, it is ignorance that creates the problem.
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Post by Rico on Jun 21, 2011 19:17:20 GMT
I'm not pandering to the EDL at all Russ, but what I am saying is that if you want to encourage a stronger sense of 'community' then having one area of a City so taken over by one group or another is not exactly wise. It simply breeds discontent amongst the less intelligent members of the native populace. I personally do not have a problem with Mill Road being Asian, Histon Village Village Village Road being full of prostitutes, The Backs being full of Students and Cherry Hinton Road having a large Italian population. It is just what Cambridge is, like any cosmopolitan city. However, your average knuckle dragging moron in an 'England My Country' Vest does have a problem with it, and then poor little taxpayers like you and I pay for the consequences. And that does piss me off. Maybe we should just name Mill Road 'Islamabad' and have done with it :-) I know that might be tough in cheek but Mill road isn't an asian area at all and I doubt it ever will be, sure it's very multi-cultral and you have quite a few asian shops plus the existing mosque attracting asians there but the vast majority of residents are either students or upper middle class white people. It's one of the most expensive and desirable areas of the city and is becoming more and more gentrified both sides of the bridge. It's not some ghetto in Burnley and to try and pretend it's going that way is complete and utter bollocks. How much difference is moving the mosque a few yards going to make anyway? Surely the area will be improved by the new building and then that glorified shed they're using at the moment on mawson road can be knocked down and replaced with something that isn't an eyesore.
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