Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 22, 2011 19:48:47 GMT
When EDL marched Blackburn couple months ago on a Saturday trade in the town ground to a halt. The policing cost was huge. Pointless contribution to society really. They are simply another fascist hate wagon giving bigoted arses a vehicle to have a get together. Nothing rational about them. If you ignore them they thrive, if you react to them its like throwing wood on a fire! They just a bunch of wasters suffering from some daft belief in palingenetic ultra nationalism who feel they somehow unfairly missing out and need someone to blame. Today its muslims tomorrow it will be you! Typical fascist irrationality. Let them have their march and then they can flip off back to their sad bigoted lives.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 22, 2011 19:52:35 GMT
*baseless statement follows*
Perhaps there is a natural curve for the rise and fall of religious belief, and those nations are just behind us?
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Post by El Goodo on Jun 22, 2011 20:04:20 GMT
Very ethnocentric supposition Who knows.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 22, 2011 20:06:39 GMT
*baseless statement follows* Perhaps there is a natural curve for the rise and fall of religious belief, and those nations are just behind us? Us English are a infamously godless bunch. Like the cheeky presumption that other nations are 'behind us'. Reminds me of that renowned quote 'fog in the channel- Europe cut off'
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 22, 2011 21:27:41 GMT
'Behind us' says more about my atheism than any notion of the English being 'advanced'.
I'm actually more an anti-theist than an atheist.
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Post by bamberamber on Jun 22, 2011 21:29:43 GMT
Atheism? I'm dead against that!
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 22, 2011 21:32:58 GMT
Someone on the CEN site pointed out that those responsible for 2 terrorist atrocities carried out, one in the Uk, had links to the mosque in Mill road. Not sure how accuarte that is, maybe the journos amongst us have the facts.
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 22, 2011 23:02:28 GMT
What I find quite funny/weird is the fact that when it comes to football, we all have different opinions and different answers to the same questions. When it comes to god and religion, most of us agree that it is crap, but we approach it in different manners. shaunxX The terrorist attack that involved Cambridge was a doctor that lived in Cambridge was the bloke that set fire to himself attacking Glasgow airport (Then got knocked out attempting it!!!). @ El Goodo You are right religion will never die. Some people need a reason to live and in England it is their right that they have the right to believe in what they wish, however in my opinion religion should never have a decision in mainstream decisions and should only involve an individual not an organisation/ government. For the atheists out there, in Cambridge we should be more worried about the worldwide support for Ridley hall expansion that is due to be built for the 'training' of priests in Cambridge. £13 million is due to spent on the new mosque and the same amount is due to be spent on Ridley hall?!?!? In the next few months millions is due to be spent on building religious buildings however only a fraction of that is spent on Social housing or even more important our football stadium!!!!
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Post by Lurid on Jun 23, 2011 8:26:26 GMT
£26 million for immaterial beings, nil for the national game?
People have all sorts of 'crazy' notions, but one man's devotion will always be another's waste of money. Live and let live I say. Unless someone is acting on belief in a dangerous way*, it is their lookout.
As for this dubious march, I trust the police will keep it civil and charge the organisers in much the same way that they charge CUfc.
*Like inciting hatred or shouting 'fire' in a cinema.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 23, 2011 8:45:02 GMT
Bob, I am, as I have said above, a committed atheist, and have been so since being expelled from Sunday School in Central London at the age of three for stating loudly that there is no such thing as God. My belief has not wavered one inch since then, and unless I am struck down by a meteor dispatched from that fictional place of Heaven I doubt I'll ever change my view.
That said, I fully respect those who do believe (my wife amongst them) and I fully respect religions of any description despite believing that the Bible and the Quran are fairy tales. Similarly, and in direct answer to your last point, the expenditure of funds on building mosques or Ridley Hall is perfectly valid, so long as those funds are generated by the institutions or organisations who wish to spend them. Tax money should not (and I don't think has ever) been used for the construction of religious buildings, unless you go back to Church imposed taxes in the middle ages and later historical periods which thankfully are long gone in our society.
I even count a couple of priests amongst my friends. Both of them have tried more than once to have the 'poor misguided lost soul' conversation with me, and now they've given up and we just share a beer or two instead!
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Post by warren62 on Jun 24, 2011 23:48:48 GMT
and we now have a muslim council in cambridge why cant they local muslims make a representation to the elected city council who represent all local cambridge residents - about there concernswhy a separate body
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 25, 2011 22:46:42 GMT
Might have something to do with there now being over 7,000 Muslims living in the city and likely many more outside. Cambridge Muslims Online states Cambridge Muslim Council serves as an umbrella organisation for more than 27 different Muslim ethnic and communal groups. I'm sure many Cambridge United fans and also forum members are Muslim. Why shouldn't people with a particular religious belief be allowed to unite and promote issues in our city that are important to them and why should that exclude them from also being politically active within local politics.
I imagine the EDL will bring somewhere between 300 and 3,000 people to the city from all over the country but the people they will be directing their hate at will be the Muslim people of Cambridge and as many of us as possible should get out there and counter-demo to show the EDL they are not welcome in Cambridge.
Whether true or not the perceived link with football hooliganism makes it more important than ever for fans forums to distance themselves from the EDL.
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Post by warren62 on Jun 26, 2011 8:04:47 GMT
I don't agree with your view many cambridge united fans and forum users are Muslims , 10 would be pushing it. Why do we need a separate coucil though for the muslim community if the muslim community wish to intergrate fully with our society why is there a need of a body that separates and points out there are Muslim 27 splinter groups - thats ok , but a right wing group reprsenting a very minoriy view of some isn't. Cambridge is one diverse community - there is a central elected council to represent all. Still we could be in the dark days still like Russia where a legendary player Roberto Carlos is subjected to the crudest of racist attacks. www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2931/go-global/2011/06/25/2546646/how-many-more-bananas-will-be-thrown-before-2018-world-cup-hosts-
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 26, 2011 8:49:52 GMT
Might have something to do with there now being over 7,000 Muslims living in the city and likely many more outside. Cambridge Muslims Online states Cambridge Muslim Council serves as an umbrella organisation for more than 27 different Muslim ethnic and communal groups. I'm sure many Cambridge United fans and also forum members are Muslim. Why shouldn't people with a particular religious belief be allowed to unite and promote issues in our city that are important to them and why should that exclude them from also being politically active within local politics. I imagine the EDL will bring somewhere between 300 and 3,000 people to the city from all over the country but the people they will be directing their hate at will be the Muslim people of Cambridge and as many of us as possible should get out there and counter-demo to show the EDL they are not welcome in Cambridge. Whether true or not the perceived link with football hooliganism makes it more important than ever for fans forums to distance themselves from the EDL. I completely disagree with counter demonstrations for 2 reasons - firstly it brings attention to the EDL, which is primarily what their aim is. Secondly the Counter march will be the cause of the trouble. Th EDL and the UAF will cause trouble when put together. Surely it would be more productive to organise a demonstration the next week, and if the UAF are as popular as they believe, then having a march with twice as many people would be much more of a punch. As with the marches in London, the UAF are just as capable of violence as the EDL and IMO are just as stupid but have long hair. If you replaced Muslim council with White council, it would be seen as right wing before it even said a word. As said above, the BNP would not allow Jewism or homosexual members and neither would the Muslim council, however EDL do. On principle, I do not like the EDL however I am giving them a chance just as I will give the Muslim council a chance.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 26, 2011 8:51:07 GMT
I'm not sure of population of the city now but 2 years ago it was around 121,000. So if there are 7,000 muslims in the city that would indicate they constitute around 1 in 20 of the population. Our average attendances last year were around 2,500 so if only 10 Muslims made up that you appear to be implying a very poor ratio of around 1 in 250 attending .
If your supposition is right, the club should be engaging more with Muslims. As an untapped resource for the club, using your figure of no more than 10 Muslim fans, we could potentially increase our gate and revenue by at least another 100. I wonder how the club fares with attracting Christians to games.
Warren, you use phrases like 'wish to integrate fully with our society' the implication is that you are putting up barriers to integration. Surely integration should be facilitative rather than prescriptive. TBH I don't really understand what your getting at because Islam is cross cultural in same way Christianity is. I'm sure this is not an issue of race for you but do wonder if you have a mental image of a Cambridge Muslim as being non white...
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