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Post by bamberamber on Jun 25, 2011 10:52:54 GMT
I am riskng a £50 fine for allowing my daughter to go on strike on Friday the 1st of June. She is being allowed to stay home to voice her objection to the fact that teachers will happily deprive her of a days education when it suits them, but if she just fancies a day off school it's not permitted. I got Katie to ask her teacher directly why they were striking and she sat her down and explained it clearly to her. Baring in mind that my daughter is only 6 her response was amazing "Don't you think you're being a little bit selfish?". I understand people are angry about the cost cutting, I understand they are not happy about pension changes too. I was made redundant when the country was falling apart, at the time I had a 5 year old daughter and a newborn son to provide for so the cutbacks have affected me deeply. I have now decided to go into business for myself, I have invested my remaining savings into this venture and I hope to god it succeeds. Fingers crossed eh, I look forward to earning enough to be taxed 50%
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 25, 2011 13:34:59 GMT
I'm sure you want your daughter to grow up in a country where the government isn't allowed to renege on promises and take a chunk out of the pensions of hard-working people to cover for their own mistakes.
You could call it 'selfish' to look out for your own interests, but who else is going to be bothered about them if you're not?
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 25, 2011 13:35:06 GMT
Bamber, on personal level good luck with your business venture. I fully understand your concern for your children's education. I have a child at primary school too. My feeling is if we unite to fight to defend pension rights now we doing what we can to protect the rights of our children to decent pensions in the future.
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Post by Lurid on Jun 26, 2011 10:13:22 GMT
Russ thinks my comment about speaking from inexperience crosses a line ('my' line). If that was the case it would be a personal attack on Jerry rather than answering/critiquing his point. I hope Jerry didn't take it that way as that wasn't my intention and I apologise for any offence caused.
I wish all businesses the best of luck in these difficult trading conditions.
I hope that the government realises that teachers are more important than bankers when it comes to the future economy. They have been pretty light in robbing banker's pensions and bonuses.
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Post by bamberamber on Jun 26, 2011 12:23:58 GMT
Russ, no government will ever keep their promises. To be honest I think if you actually believe that there will ever be a political party that keep their word on their manifesto then you're not quite as bright as I credited you being. Labour were a bunch of war happy turd nuggets... The conservatives are all about the rich getting richer and flip the working class. And let's not forget the lib dem lapdogs, with a leader that would sell his grandmothers soul for the opportunity to be chief PM's chief cock sucker.
Take a few people from each party with a good work ethic, honesty and a desire to serve the public in the way we deserve it and this country might finally get back on track, oh but wait there are no such people that exist in British politics so to be honest we're all fucked.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 26, 2011 12:30:35 GMT
So your response to the fact that no government will ever keep their promises is to show strict obedience and not take any action?
Well I'd support the striking teachers' approach over yours every single time.
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Post by bamberamber on Jun 26, 2011 12:47:32 GMT
I don't think I mentioned showing 'strict obedience' anywhere did I?
I have stated that I think the teachers striking is wrong in my previous posts. I don't think it will achieve a great deal apart from heaping inconvenience and misery upon the population that aren't to blame for the situation that is prompting the teachers to strike.
It's like me being really angry at Tesco putting the price of petrol up and I punch the pump attendant in the face to show my disapproval rather than the person that sets the prices.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 26, 2011 13:05:22 GMT
"It's like me being really angry at Tesco putting the price of petrol up and I punch the pump attendant in the face to show my disapproval rather than the person that sets the prices."
No it isn't.
However, by your logic surely the people you should be angry at are those in government, rather than the striking teachers?
Don't blame those going on strike, blame the ones whose lies and poor governance has created a situation where strike action is felt necessary.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 26, 2011 13:25:47 GMT
Its a important common law right to strike in this country and the UN and EU recognise the civil right to strike when collective bargaining is getting nowhere and doubly important when you feel all the political parties can't be trusted.
The Heath and Callaghan governments were brought down by strike action leading to repressive anti strike laws in 1982 with awful balloting restrictions enacted in 2004. These laws have made strike action rare in the last 30 years and its wrong to fear strikes the way the right did a generation ago.
Really interesting debate on R4 last night with Norman Tebbitt (of all people!) recognsing how times have changed stating this time round is different from the winter of discontent and the miners in early 80s because this time grassroots are pressing their leaders to take action rather than other way round and theres a wider public sympathy for strike action. He reckoned the increased public support is partly because most strikers are white collar this time round and that the strikes are member led rather than leadership led as they were in 80s. Recognition that this is just first salvo. When 1.3 million Unison members strike in the autumn will be a big test for public opinion and interesting to see whether government U turns or cracks down. All depends on how united or divided we are as a people. Both unions and the government are unsure what direction public opinion will take. For now government happy to leave the ball in the unions court. We live in interesting times. Have no doubt that if the government win the public opinion war they will hammer the people of this country. This government isn't spoiling for a fight like Thatchers was in 80s so some compromise is realistically achievable. Don't forget they a minority government without the coalition. The miners were defeated in 1984 after Thatcher won a landslide. This lot are much much weaker.
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Post by bamberamber on Jun 26, 2011 14:21:08 GMT
I AM angry at those in government, I didn't vote for either of the shambles of political parties currently in power.
I just don't like the fact the public are inconvenienced by the actions of people that strike.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 26, 2011 14:26:10 GMT
I just don't like the fact the public are inconvenienced by the actions of people that strike. I don't like it when the public are inconvenienced by governments
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 26, 2011 14:31:47 GMT
Nobody 'likes' the fact that strikes cause disruption, but surely the root cause and those at the heart of the problem are far more worthy of your criticism than those who are defending their rights and interests?
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Post by bamberamber on Jun 26, 2011 14:32:51 GMT
Which is an equally valid point, it's all about opinions. We'll never agree on all points, which is fine as it makes the message board a lot more interesting.
On a separate note, Russ I apologise for saying you're not as bright as I'd credited you, I just get frustrated because your missus is so fit and I can't understand how you managed to talk her into staying with you for so long!
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Post by bamberamber on Jun 26, 2011 14:33:48 GMT
The government are arseholes, I sent an email to number 10 the other day saying just that. But the strikes annoy me as well.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 26, 2011 14:52:47 GMT
I am riskng a £50 fine for allowing my daughter to go on strike on Friday the 1st of June. She is being allowed to stay home to voice her objection to the fact that teachers will happily deprive her of a days education when it suits them, but if she just fancies a day off school it's not permitted. I applaud you for encouraging your daughter to exercise her civil right to strike. Think its an important part of her education and you should be proud of her. Never ceases to amaze me way kids understand basic rights way adults often can't grasp. Your risking a £50 fine but I doubt you will be fined or that she will be excluded for it. Likewise teachers are losing a days pay and risking the sack. I doubt they will be sacked but as far as I'm aware the legal right to strike in UK is under English common law and thereby subject only to case law in high court and as far as I'm aware employers retain the right to discipline and ultimately sack workers that don't turn up to work. They don't do it by custom and tradition (probably some EU laws on this too) but it does serve to illustrate that no worker takes going on strike lightly.
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