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Post by richardg on Jun 21, 2017 21:07:23 GMT
Which part of 50 seats more and about a million votes more than the nearest runner up do you struggle with .? What part of "majority" do you struggle with? Whatever you think of the system (that's a separate debate) nobody "won" this election. The conservatives performed better than labour... labour beat expectations... but nobody won. Think of it like Ipswich vs Man U. The result was 0-0. Man U had 23 shots on target, so they can feel justified in feeling like the winners. But under the rules, they won nothing. Ipswich had 10 shots of their own, and didn't concede despite bookies predicting a whitewash. They can feel justified in feeling like the winners, because they outperformed all expectations. But under the rules, they won nothing. That's rubbish, tories have more votes, so how can you suggest it's a 0-0. If all tories vote and all labour vote against each other it would end in tories passing a bill. Appreciated there are liberals, SNP that can block things for the sake of it, but this isn't an unusual situation and unworkable term for the tories, although far from ideal. I actually believe it may work in the countries favour as the tories can't force their own agenda and will have to listen to public opinion to get laws through.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 21, 2017 21:46:30 GMT
What part of "majority" do you struggle with? Whatever you think of the system (that's a separate debate) nobody "won" this election. The conservatives performed better than labour... labour beat expectations... but nobody won. Think of it like Ipswich vs Man U. The result was 0-0. Man U had 23 shots on target, so they can feel justified in feeling like the winners. But under the rules, they won nothing. Ipswich had 10 shots of their own, and didn't concede despite bookies predicting a whitewash. They can feel justified in feeling like the winners, because they outperformed all expectations. But under the rules, they won nothing. That's rubbish, tories have more votes, so how can you suggest it's a 0-0. If all tories vote and all labour vote against each other it would end in tories passing a bill. Appreciated there are liberals, SNP that can block things for the sake of it, but this isn't an unusual situation and unworkable term for the tories, although far from ideal. I actually believe it may work in the countries favour as the tories can't force their own agenda and will have to listen to public opinion to get laws through. Yes Richard it's a clear victory isn't it By 'countries' I assume you are referring to the other 27 EU countries. I think most people would prefer a UK government that worked for a brexit that focuses on this country's interests rather than a fudge. You certainly won't get that from lame duck May!
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Post by warren62 on Jun 22, 2017 13:26:05 GMT
Which part of 50 seats more and about a million votes more than the nearest runner up do you struggle with .? What part of "majority" do you struggle with? Whatever you think of the system (that's a separate debate) nobody "won" this election. The conservatives performed better than labour... labour beat expectations... but nobody won. Think of it like Ipswich vs Man U. The result was 0-0. Man U had 23 shots on target, so they can feel justified in feeling like the winners. But under the rules, they won nothing. Ipswich had 10 shots of their own, and didn't concede despite bookies predicting a whitewash. They can feel justified in feeling like the winners, because they outperformed all expectations. But under the rules, they won nothing. Majority ? Who mentioned majority ? You for sure.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 22, 2017 14:03:42 GMT
"majority" is what's needed for a "clear" victory and so forms part of the discussion whether the word was mentioned or not.
It seems pretty obvious that despite winning the election it was not the result the Tories wanted. The football analogy was a nice one. I liked it. Though I'm disappointed United v Manchester United drawing in the FA cup wasn't used.
Shame.
Shame.
Andrew
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 22, 2017 16:37:33 GMT
The football analogy was a nice one. I liked it. It's not a 0-0 result though is it. More like 0-0 at half time. A first half where Tory Town despite all their riches were piss poor. Their captain didn't turn up and rather than play the ball, engaged in lots of shirt pulling and trying to hack down the opposition. They ended the first half in disarray with the crowd warming to Labour United and their star player Jezza 'Billy the Fish' Corbyn. Roll on the second half. My prediction 3-0 to Labour United. Corbyn to get a brace with a penalty from Abbott.
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Post by Domingo in Little Oakley on Jun 22, 2017 17:52:14 GMT
You wouldn't be claiming the same if the roles were reversed though, would you? You'd be banging on about what a fantastic victory it was for labour. Much in the same way the the remainers wouldn't have called for a second referendum had the vote gone their way. It's all a bit embarrassing from the left really, celebrating a loss!
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Post by Sandypants on Jun 22, 2017 18:35:10 GMT
What part of "majority" do you struggle with? Whatever you think of the system (that's a separate debate) nobody "won" this election. The conservatives performed better than labour... labour beat expectations... but nobody won. Think of it like Ipswich vs Man U. The result was 0-0. Man U had 23 shots on target, so they can feel justified in feeling like the winners. But under the rules, they won nothing. Ipswich had 10 shots of their own, and didn't concede despite bookies predicting a whitewash. They can feel justified in feeling like the winners, because they outperformed all expectations. But under the rules, they won nothing. That's rubbish, tories have more votes, so how can you suggest it's a 0-0. If all tories vote and all labour vote against each other it would end in tories passing a bill. Appreciated there are liberals, SNP that can block things for the sake of it, but this isn't an unusual situation and unworkable term for the tories, although far from ideal. I actually believe it may work in the countries favour as the tories can't force their own agenda and will have to listen to public opinion to get laws through. Because that's not and has never been how our brand of democracy works. If all tories vote one way, they can not pass anything without some support from elsewhere. Because they don't have a majority. That's literally the foundation of our democracy. I know you know this, so what are you hoping to gain by feigning ignorance?
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Post by warren62 on Jun 22, 2017 20:20:39 GMT
Ok Jeesys , if it's nil nil @ h/t the 1922 commitee have the hair dryer out , the captain is sidelined and the flair players given a free role : boris takes over media savvy policies and opposition are 5 down @ f/t. May is a zombie pm , th day of her demise yet to be decreed
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 22, 2017 20:34:03 GMT
Ok Jeesys , if it's nil nil @ h/t the 1922 commitee have the hair dryer out , the captain is sidelined and the flair players given a free role : boris takes over media savvy policies and opposition are 5 down @ f/t. May is a zombie pm , th day of her demise yet to be decreed That's the spirit!
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Post by warren62 on Jun 22, 2017 21:06:46 GMT
Ok Jeesys , if it's nil nil @ h/t the 1922 commitee have the hair dryer out , the captain is sidelined and the flair players given a free role : boris takes over media savvy policies and opposition are 5 down @ f/t. May is a zombie pm , th day of her demise yet to be decreed That's the spirit! Like the new avatar ! Brill!
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Post by mrjimmy on Jun 22, 2017 22:05:38 GMT
the tories seem to have an ageing fanbase that they are intent on annihilating
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Post by cambcam on Nov 15, 2018 14:00:06 GMT
Seems like a good time to bring this to the surface again.
As a Brexiteer, I’ll stand by my decision to vote leave. If anything, the desire to leave is stronger than ever. I figured 3 to 5 years of turbulence would eventually see us in a stronger position and relieved we were no longer part of the chaos of the EU. The EU itself does appear in a bit of a mess and still looks like something you’d want to get out of, and definitely not something you’d be looking to join if you weren’t.
But, aside of the somewhat understandable anti-EU attempts at justification of a Leave vote, there is very little for Brexiteers to be smiling about.
So, what’s going to happen? Leave with no deal? Renegotiate? General Election? Referendum?
What an absolute farce. So, what are the predictions?
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Post by mikelan on Nov 15, 2018 19:45:11 GMT
I want to know how any politician of any persuasion can stand up and say why we voted to leave. the question on the ballot paper only asked if you wanted to stay in or leave. There was nothing about why. so where do they get their information from? They can answer they get it from their surgeries, but how many of the people they represent attend the surgeries? Not many and certainly not a decent representation of their constituents.
What is going to happen? 1) More resignations, 2) Theresa May will have to resign 3) Conservatives will vote for e new leader 4) another attempt to get a different draft 5) finally, we leave with no deal. It is an absolute farce, but it does not matter which political party is in power negotiating this deal, it would be a farce as all parties are split, (except Lib/Dems but there's not enough of them to have a split)
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