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Post by artvandelay on Apr 20, 2024 18:55:19 GMT
I have two thoughts on this: 1. Did Joey Barton (complete thug) instil this sort of behaviour in them when he was their manager? 2. If I head butted someone at work, I wouldn’t just miss a few games, I’d be up for GBH. Send Chris Martin for a month at His Majesty’s Pleasure. That would soon stop others behaving this way. True, but if I tried to bang one in the top corner at work I would be sacked.
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Post by andycufc on Apr 20, 2024 18:57:21 GMT
I wonder why Jobe didn’t go down at the time? Bit of I experience perhaps. If that goes on to cost us I’m crossing Rovers off my Christmas card list, and removing them from my list of clubs I have a soft spot for!!!! Or maybe because he isn't a cheat? Is it cheating to go down if you’ve been head butted?
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 20, 2024 18:59:16 GMT
Or maybe because he isn't a cheat? Is it cheating to go down if you’ve been head butted? It's cheating to go down if you can stay on your feet.
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Post by andycufc on Apr 20, 2024 19:04:34 GMT
Is it cheating to go down if you’ve been head butted? It's cheating to go down if you can stay on your feet. So Jobe has been head butted so hard it’s given him concussion; the ref has missed it, but on video it’s deemed enough for a sizeable ban. But if Jobe had gone down to draw the referee’s attention to what happened, rather than playing on after a hefty whack to the head, he’d have been cheating? Not for me, Clive.
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 20, 2024 19:10:45 GMT
It's cheating to go down if you can stay on your feet. So Jobe has been head butted so hard it’s given him concussion; the ref has missed it, but on video it’s deemed enough for a sizeable ban. But if Jobe had gone down to draw the referee’s attention to what happened, rather than playing on after a hefty whack to the head, he’d have been cheating? Not for me, Clive. I think he deserves credit for staying on his feet. One of the many, many nauseating things about football now is pundits telling us 'he has a right to go down', 'there was contact', etc. It's great to see a talented young man negate that trend, I wish a lot more would.
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Post by andycufc on Apr 20, 2024 19:27:41 GMT
So Jobe has been head butted so hard it’s given him concussion; the ref has missed it, but on video it’s deemed enough for a sizeable ban. But if Jobe had gone down to draw the referee’s attention to what happened, rather than playing on after a hefty whack to the head, he’d have been cheating? Not for me, Clive. I think he deserves credit for staying on his feet. One of the many, many nauseating things about football now is pundits telling us 'he has a right to go down', 'there was contact', etc. It's great to see a talented young man negate that trend, I wish a lot more would. I agree with your underlying point here, but Jobe was concussed - I think Monk said he was up all night vomiting on Tuesday. I applaud the general desire to continue playing, but in this instance it sounds like going down / coming off would have been the more sensible / safer course of action. I don’t think it’s helpful to label it as ‘cheating’ to go down in that situation. However, it would also be fair to say that our medical team should perhaps have intervened and made the decision for him in the circumstances.
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 20, 2024 19:32:12 GMT
I think he deserves credit for staying on his feet. One of the many, many nauseating things about football now is pundits telling us 'he has a right to go down', 'there was contact', etc. It's great to see a talented young man negate that trend, I wish a lot more would. I agree with your underlying point here, but Jobe was concussed - I think Monk said he was up all night vomiting on Tuesday. I applaud the general desire to continue playing, but in this instance it sounds like going down / coming off would have been the more sensible / safer course of action. I don’t think it’s helpful to label it as ‘cheating’ to go down in that situation. However, it would also be fair to say that our medical team should perhaps have intervened and made the decision for him in the circumstances. If he was concussed then he certainly should have come off, no question, his safety is paramount. No, it probably isn't 'cheating', but he should be applauded for his resilience and attempted honesty rather than be deemed naïve for not collapsing.
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Post by Mark Peters’ Bonce of Power on Apr 20, 2024 19:47:06 GMT
If he was concussed it’s likely his judgement of how to react was off, that’s literally why we now have concussion protocols instead of just asking the lad if he’s alright to continue.
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Post by martinjohn on Apr 20, 2024 21:06:37 GMT
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Post by mike_CUFC on Apr 20, 2024 22:01:25 GMT
Is there any video of this as haven’t seen anything and nothing was mentioned on the night that I was aware of?
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Post by martinjohn on Apr 21, 2024 5:50:58 GMT
Is there any video of this as haven’t seen anything and nothing was mentioned on the night that I was aware of?
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Post by martinjohn on Apr 21, 2024 6:09:30 GMT
I'm so angry about this. I feel this is a bigger injustice than any of the poor decisions from last season that led to FA statements / apologies. We should have been playing against 10 men for 50 minutes and their goalscorer shouldn't have been on the pitch.
We didn't play well on the night, but now this evidence emerges we can reasonably say we should have got at least a point from the game. And given how valuable a point would have been, we've been absolutely robbed.
Absolutely unprovoked from Chris Martin. 4 match ban is disgraceful. Should be done for assault. And to do it to a young player, only a few games into his league career is sickening. I reckon he knew what he was doing by targetting Jobe. If it had been a more experienced player he would have gone down and done everything to get him sent off - and rightly so. Jobe's naivety (which on one level is admirable) prevented anything happening at the time. And that's ignoring the point that it's a disgrace that no officials picked this up.
Can someone explain to me why this can't be a police issue? If that's caught on CCTV in a pub, it would be.
Final word for Monk. When he was asked about why Jobe was out in his Derby post-match interview with Doug, he then explained what had happened. He said he didn't want to say anything on the night or before the Derby game as he didn't want to give anything away tactically, despite how furious he was. I have to say, that is incredibly restrained and classy from Monk. You could hear how angry he was, yet had to keep his game face in all interviews / pressers after the Bristol game. A huge amount of respect for that.
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Post by ilovechadders on Apr 21, 2024 6:25:16 GMT
Just a bit concerned that as this was just before half time that our medical team didn’t notice anything remiss during the break. Especially as Monk said the incident was seen and Jobe played the full 90 minutes.
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Post by imp566 on Apr 21, 2024 7:27:30 GMT
I'm interested to know what process was invoked to get this looked at by the FA. I assume we complained to the ref and he asked (or was asked?) to retrospectively (after the match obviously) review the footage of what happened, then included it in his match report. Otherwise, I doubt it would have been addressed.
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Post by cuoutside on Apr 21, 2024 7:31:42 GMT
I'm interested to know what process was invoked to get this looked at by the FA. I assume we complained to the ref and he asked (or was asked?) to retrospectively (after the match obviously) review the footage of what happened, then included it in his match report. Otherwise, I doubt it would have been addressed. Yes clubs can bring it to the referees attention during half time or afterwards and even show him the footage. He can include it in his report if necessary, but he can’t take any action. There is a reporting process where clubs can send in the footage to the FA afterwards.
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