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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jun 20, 2023 6:10:13 GMT
He seems a gentle, quiet spoken fellow. He talks about luck with regards to the fruit of his labour. With Barry Cor and Mark Bonner, it seems like a pretty good knit of coaching areas. Promotion at all levels as a player is no small thing. I was speculating on the Waddock thread that the new Assistant Manager could be an England youth coach or prem under 23s. Just the ticket. If the other signings are this good I'll be very happt indeed. Welcome to the club Kevin Betsy.I hope this works out for years to come.
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Post by kentishu on Jun 20, 2023 7:11:23 GMT
This appointment seems to fit our model of finding people who have shown talent in the past but now have a point to prove. Hopefully he has learnt from his recent experiences, rather than lost his nerve. Feels like his relationship with Bonner will be critical too, and he will need to demonstrate that he can complement his skills, rather than duplicate them.
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Post by Dylan on Jun 20, 2023 7:16:24 GMT
Bonner has skills, Kentish?
Are you sure? π
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Post by imp566 on Jun 20, 2023 7:17:24 GMT
If I was to be picky, both Corr and Betsy were strikers in their playing days, so perhaps for balance, a more defensively minded coach to help organise us when not in possession?
Have to trust the choice here though, MB has obviously gone for the candidate he thinks will bring something to the team and provide development across the squad.
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Post by kentishu on Jun 20, 2023 7:19:47 GMT
Bonner has skills, Kentish? Are you sure? π I am not going to reply to this because I feel the return of the whoosh may be accompanied by the return of the chomp... Kentish
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Post by milesfenton on Jun 20, 2023 8:15:58 GMT
Asked a Crawley fan on another forum for his thoughts and got a detailed response:
"Kevin came to us with an outstanding record at Arsenal and England under age group teams.
He was given a decent amount if money to spend and he used the opportunity to bring in a lot of young players who had good stats but no experience playing league football. He also got rid of pretty much all our experienced players.
He played possession football, playing out from the back.
We were all wanted him to do well but it was obvious from the start it wouldn't work. Caught in possession at the back time and time again, we lost our first seven games before he was fired but he had left us with no decent players.
He had no answer to it, no change in system, he kept saying he didn't have the right players to play his way but the worst offenders were his signings. We went game after game with plenty if possession but virtually no goal threat and barely a shot on goal.
It took until the January window before we could bring more experienced players in and we were bottom (or close) of the league.
Scott Lindsey has performed miracles to keep us up but tellingly, there are no Betsy players left - they were all negotiated out of their contracts. Some have disappeared and of those who remained in the game, none stayed in the football league - all of them dropped divisions, some two or three divisions.
So not really well thought of by us but I won't speak ill of him - he did his best and was hampered by the type of player he was allowed to sign by Wagmi.
Let's see how he gets on at Cambridge and I wish him every luck."
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Post by El Goodo on Jun 20, 2023 8:18:52 GMT
I'm not all that bothered by that, given he's not here as a head coach/manager and we have a recruitment system in place. He's here to complement what we already have rather than set a style and lead the club β very different slipping in as part of the arch rather than being the keystone.
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Post by imp566 on Jun 20, 2023 8:20:36 GMT
Asked a Crawley fan on another forum for his thoughts and got a detailed response: "Kevin came to us with an outstanding record at Arsenal and England under age group teams.
He was given a decent amount if money to spend and he used the opportunity to bring in a lot of young players who had good stats but no experience playing league football. He also got rid of pretty much all our experienced players.
He played possession football, playing out from the back.
We were all wanted him to do well but it was obvious from the start it wouldn't work. Caught in possession at the back time and time again, we lost our first seven games before he was fired but he had left us with no decent players.
He had no answer to it, no change in system, he kept saying he didn't have the right players to play his way but the worst offenders were his signings. We went game after game with plenty if possession but virtually no goal threat and barely a shot on goal.
It took until the January window before we could bring more experienced players in and we were bottom (or close) of the league.
Scott Lindsey has performed miracles to keep us up but tellingly, there are no Betsy players left - they were all negotiated out of their contracts. Some have disappeared and of those who remained in the game, none stayed in the football league - all of them dropped divisions, some two or three divisions.
So not really well thought of by us but I won't speak ill of him - he did his best and was hampered by the type of player he was allowed to sign by Wagmi.
Let's see how he gets on at Cambridge and I wish him every luck."Sounds a bit like us last season, so at least he will have empathy for the way our season went.
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Post by Dylan on Jun 20, 2023 9:02:01 GMT
Bonner has skills, Kentish? Are you sure? π I am not going to reply to this because I feel the return of the whoosh may be accompanied by the return of the chomp... Kentish Ah yes...
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Post by Fred Colon on Jun 20, 2023 9:40:59 GMT
His failure at Crawley doesn't bother me too much as he'll be doing a very different job here. My one reservation is that I don't like possession football, it can be really frustrating to watch. I much prefer the high-tempo pressing we began to see at the end of last season, a brilliant example being our wonderful victory over 'boro. I hope the possession side of his coaching is meant to be integrated in to that high-tempo pressing system. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see!
Anyway, welcome to the club, Mr Betsy!
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 20, 2023 9:49:07 GMT
His failure at Crawley doesn't bother me too much as he'll be doing a very different job here. My one reservation is that I don't like possession football, it can be really frustrating to watch. I much prefer the high-tempo pressing we began to see at the end of last season, a brilliant example being our wonderful victory over 'boro. I hope the possession side of his coaching is meant to be integrated in to that high-tempo pressing system. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see! Anyway, welcome to the club, Mr Betsy! The flip side is it's clearly a deficiency in our game. I know Wes and Boat put together a few decent passing moves but even at League 2 level we struggled to keep the ball and at a level above that causes a lot of extra pressure against us.
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Post by El Goodo on Jun 20, 2023 10:06:04 GMT
I really don't see us transitioning to becoming an out-from-the-back possession-based team, no way. For a start, I don't think it's Bonner's preferred style as it brings quite high risks, and we're unlikely to be able to get the players to do it. We absolutely DO need to learn to be more comfortable in possession though, particularly in midfield, & add variety to our game because keeping hold of the ball is one of our biggest weaknesses, if not the biggest.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 20, 2023 10:08:13 GMT
The high tempo press thing is fine, but there are times when teams will be doing that to us and we need to be more comfortable on the ball to play through it. Hopefully a 'technical' guy like Betsy brings this quality.
I think it's adding to our current playing style rather than starting from fresh with a completely different approach.
Andrew
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Post by mb1977 on Jun 20, 2023 10:52:56 GMT
A sound appointment and fits the direction of the club. Heβs spend five years with the FA and Fulham so heβs clearly no mug and a talented coach. His record with young players Iβm sure plays a contributing factor. Look forward to seeing his impact on and off the pitch.
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Post by yomeboy1 on Jun 20, 2023 11:56:22 GMT
The Crawley fan's story is interesting. Looks like United will learn from him and he'll learn from United. So that's good.
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