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Post by martinjohn on Feb 21, 2024 7:37:47 GMT
Seriously, he'd have made a much bigger impact than Bonne last night.
I was angry at Bonner for not giving youth players a chance but it looks like Harris is the same.
I can't think of one good thing Bonne did last night. For a big player he has no presence up top.
Taylor's stupidity has caused us massive problems to top again. So, get Njoku back in the squad and give him a chance. In an ideal world we wouldn't need him, but with Okinabihre (injured), Ahadme (injured), Taylor (twit) and Bonne (shite), we need something extra.
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Post by danboyb on Feb 21, 2024 8:04:42 GMT
Janneh also currently injured (Not that I’d have him in the squad anyway) Brandon will definitely be on the bench Saturday. Can already see a situation where the fans are pleading for him to come on after 60 mins due to the situation and lack of goal threat. I really hope I’m wrong and he’s brought on in the 85th min with Bonne going off to a standing ovation having bagged a brace.
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Post by danielcufc on Feb 21, 2024 8:42:08 GMT
Is Bonne being treated a little unfairly due to those Cheltenham misses? Taylor scores on his debut and is an instant hero. Bonne misses (terribly it must be said) and is now the villan. He came on at Pompey and hardly saw the ball and late at Carlisle where he put May through with a decent ball. Last night he was up against 3 basketball players at the back and isn't a target man in that sense. I hoped in the window yes for another signing - looking at last night Bodvarsson would have been great but doubt that rumour was true unfortunately. If Bonne scores the winner on Saturday will he then be a hero for ever? We have just got to try and play to his and probably KaiKai's strengths now and use the ball on the floor. Notice Kachunga doesn't get much stick for his performances. I think because he has scored some goals he gets away with it whereas Bonne, Brophy etc get called out because they haven't.
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Post by danboyb on Feb 21, 2024 9:02:36 GMT
Is Bonne being treated a little unfairly due to those Cheltenham misses? Taylor scores on his debut and is an instant hero. Bonne misses (terribly it must be said) and is now the villan. He came on at Pompey and hardly saw the ball and late at Carlisle where he put May through with a decent ball. Last night he was up against 3 basketball players at the back and isn't a target man in that sense. I hoped in the window yes for another signing - looking at last night Bodvarsson would have been great but doubt that rumour was true unfortunately. If Bonne scores the winner on Saturday will he then be a hero for ever? We have just got to try and play to his and probably KaiKai's strengths now and use the ball on the floor. Notice Kachunga doesn't get muuch stick for his performances. I think because he has scored some goals he gets away with it whereas Bonne, Brophy etc get called out because they haven't. Some very fair points there. It’s those fine lines again. Those misses obviously have stuck in our minds, it cost us big time on the day. It probably also dented Bonnes confidence. I just want to see more from him. He’s a name that opposition fans/teams might fear, but he’s giving defenders a very easy time right now. As you say, we’re going to have to adapt our game to suit him now. He should be relishing the chance to step up and become a fan’s favourite. The chance is there for him to do that but he’s got to want it. Good point about Kachunga too. Despite his goal on Saturday he’s still not quite hitting the heights of pre injury form. I come back to my point about Lankester, Kachunga, Cousins, even KaiKai to a lesser extent seem to be given a chance to play through their bad form, Jack never gets that opportunity. Was a game recently (I forget which one) where Lankester was easily the best player on the pitch, yet he was subbed off. I’d love to see him get a proper run of 4 or 5 games and 3 or 4 of those being 90 mins.
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Post by El Goodo on Feb 21, 2024 9:05:59 GMT
Getting subbed off is generally the lot of an attacking player though, although Lankester does always seem to be in the first set around 65 mins pretty much every time.
Anyway, I don't think having Njoku on the pitch would have achieved anything at all yesterday, to be perfectly frank. I sort of understand the clamour (sort of) but it's just the other side of the same coin from Bonne really. Unless we change the way we play, having him on the pitch isn't going to be very effective. He needs to be playing off someone, or we need to be better at getting the balls into the channels.
He'll be in the squad for these next few games so I'm sure he'll get another run out or two. Hopefully he'll be able to have the same sort of impact as he did in his first two, but I wouldn't bank on it quite honestly.
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Post by imp566 on Feb 21, 2024 9:15:31 GMT
Njoku is a classic case of someone who isn't playing improving his reputation through inaction. Sure he would bring energy and youthful exuberance, but do we really think that a player who is currently considered more suitable for Step 3 non-league football is going to be a better bet than a striker who has played over 250 games as a professional in a game against League 1 promotion chasing teams?
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Post by foolhandy on Feb 21, 2024 9:17:04 GMT
I was angry at Bonner for not giving youth players a chance but it looks like Harris is the same. Yup. Me too. 🤷♂️
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Post by danboyb on Feb 21, 2024 9:31:09 GMT
Njoku is a classic case of someone who isn't playing improving his reputation through inaction. Sure he would bring energy and youthful exuberance, but do we really think that a player who is currently considered more suitable for Step 3 non-league football is going to be a better bet than a striker who has played over 250 games as a professional in a game against League 1 promotion chasing teams? I’m not saying Njoku is the answer, he’s not. He’s a young lad who has huge potential and offers us something completely different to what we’ve got. He absolutely should not be a better bet than someone who has played 250 games, the fact that’s even being thought of is madness , but it kind of sums up where Bonne currently is form wise. Picking players based on past reputation is a dangerous path to go down. Bonne has the opportunity to show his worth now. He can do it, but he needs to show he has the motivation and desire to succeed. Obviously others need to step up and give him the chance to do so. I hope the fans lay off him in the ground. I’m as critical of him as anyone on here, but I’m willing him to come good cos we need something from these next 3 games.
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Post by martinjohn on Feb 21, 2024 9:37:36 GMT
Njoku is a classic case of someone who isn't playing improving his reputation through inaction. Sure he would bring energy and youthful exuberance, but do we really think that a player who is currently considered more suitable for Step 3 non-league football is going to be a better bet than a striker who has played over 250 games as a professional in a game against League 1 promotion chasing teams? Based on what I've seen from both players this season, yes. Youthful exuberance is something we need more of. Players who don't have fear, willing to take risks, desperate to prove themselves.
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Post by El Goodo on Feb 21, 2024 9:44:02 GMT
Youthful exuberance is something we need more of. Players who don't have fear, willing to take risks, desperate to prove themselves. Agree with this, but you need it in the right time, place & structure. I wouldn't be playing Njoku by himself in this team, so he'd be alongside Bonne anyway, or with/behind Kaikai or Kachunga.
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 21, 2024 10:02:46 GMT
I'm happy enough to wait on Njoku and the other first year pros this season and to assume that there are people for more aware of how their development needs to be handled than I am.
I do think we'd benefit from bringing the age of the squad down though, and from giving it back some of the identity and relatability it lost in the summer so hopefully we see a bit more of some of them next season.
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Post by headersontarget on Feb 21, 2024 10:02:56 GMT
Njoku is a classic case of someone who isn't playing improving his reputation through inaction. Sure he would bring energy and youthful exuberance, but do we really think that a player who is currently considered more suitable for Step 3 non-league football is going to be a better bet than a striker who has played over 250 games as a professional in a game against League 1 promotion chasing teams? Lots of examples of the "reputation improved through inaction" from fanbase - saw someone suggesting that Gassan is a better player than Lyle Taylor on Twitter a week back. I like Gassan but, come on, that's nonsense. Similarly we were told we were missing Adam May's goals. Has been great to have him back, but nearly 30 games now (given, most as substitute) and he hasn't scored once since his return.
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Post by foolhandy on Feb 21, 2024 11:38:08 GMT
Njoku shouldn't be starting games but, for example against Cheltenham, his youthful exuberance is sat on the bench when we're chasing a win and the players on the pitch seem to be barely awake.
It's like McConnell against Leyton Orient, came on for a cameo which showed more threat than anything the other players had shown all game. Barely played since I believe. (And then loaned out.) The loan is probably good for him, and I wouldn't advocate him starting games, but impact subs do help.
Football is results yes, but it's also entertainment and having a sense that we might win, or score! Njoku brought that to the game and to have him sat on the bench whilst a dirge of older players come on to do nothing game after game is disheartening.
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Post by El Goodo on Feb 21, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
Njoku shouldn't be starting games but, for example against Cheltenham, his youthful exuberance is sat on the bench when we're chasing a win and the players on the pitch seem to be barely awake. It's like McConnell against Leyton Orient, came on for a cameo which showed more threat than anything the other players had shown all game. Barely played since I believe. (And then loaned out.) The loan is probably good for him, and I wouldn't advocate him starting games, but impact subs do help. Football is results yes, but it's also entertainment and having a sense that we might win, or score! Njoku brought that to the game and to have him sat on the bench whilst a dirge of older players come on to do nothing game after game is disheartening. McConnell is injured, not out on loan.
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Post by foolhandy on Feb 21, 2024 12:30:03 GMT
Before he was injured, was he used much? Does me thinking he was out on loan still rather than injured undermine my suggestion that greater used of young impact subs generally might be a good thing?
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