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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Apr 9, 2024 13:38:54 GMT
Also, as much as people disagree with certain decisions or signings, the system is working. Not saying we can't improve in certain areas but we've either overachieved or at worse achieved on par for coming on 4 years now.
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Apr 9, 2024 13:42:34 GMT
If we want to stabilise and eventually improve at this level then we need to be giving chances to players that are potentially on the up, not on the way down, if we don’t, other clubs will. Yearn is still very young (Our youngest ever goal scorer I think) he’s got loads of improvement still in him, something very wrong when players like that are leaving us without being given a chance. As Martin said, I think Monk is showing signs of potentially changing the way we play, that will hopefully lead to a younger squad and help us find the next Darling, the next Berry. The whole recruitment process needs a major overhaul. The current structure isn’t working, survived by the skin of our teeth last season, should just about stay up this time round, let’s give ourselves the best opportunity of moving forward by changing what isn’t working ahead of next season. Agree with the tail-end of that, but to presume all of the blame lies with the club for players not reaching their potential is a little over-simplistic for me. For every Beckham, it's important to remember there are a 1000 Ravel Morrisons out there. Both brought through the same system, but very different outcomes in terms of reaching their potential. Whatever the case with Yearn, definitely agree the club need to aim to do better though, at our conversion rate, no question. Whether that's possible will be influenced by some external factors, but it has to be the aim, always.
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Post by danboyb on Apr 9, 2024 13:43:29 GMT
Yearn is still only 18, for what that's worth. 1 goal and 0 assists in 20 Conference South appearances last year, then been injured for a significant proportion of this one. He's got promise, but never shown anything to suggest that we should have been chucking him into the 1st team at 16/17 years old. McConnell was getting chances before Bonner was sacked and Simper/Worman have had ood runs in the side too. Darling had broken in to the first team before Bonner took over (while assistant), but continued and thrived. Jobe's earnt his chance with excellent form for Gateshead, but I don't think it was unreasonable to try him at that level (where it appears that Yearn didn't flourish) before League 1. Agree with pretty much all of that. If Yearn (or his parents/agent) have run out of patience here and want to try something new, that's entirely up to them, and I wish them well. The whole point of the loan system is to blood young players and see how they get on (as well as help crocked players get fit again, and poor ones off the books). If he'd gone to the conference south and torn it a new one, I'd personally find it a lot easier to criticise the club for not having tried him in the first team. As it is, he didn't, he's been injured a fair bit since. Wouldn't set much of an example if we'd just played him regardless of merit on the pitch/in training, would it? Had we “released” Yearn I could see your point. I think it’s likely he’s turned down a new deal, that’s the sad part about this. For whatever reasons he obviously doesn’t believe he has a future here. That’s why I want us to look in to how we handle the transition from development to first team. Something isn’t quite working. The fact he didn’t make much of an impression at Conference South could partly be due to the level of player he’s playing with. I don’t think anyone is saying he should be a first team regular, but it’s a shame to see a player with huge potential just walk away. Will hurt even more if he’s picked up by “That lot” and sold for ££££££ in 4 years time.
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Post by djs230480 on Apr 9, 2024 13:47:36 GMT
The clubs league position over the last 18 months might also be a factor in lack of game time. If we were mid table we could afford to give more minutes. Over the two seasons (apart from early season) we have mainly been in a relegations battle.
Maybe the manager has thought that isn't the write time to bring them in, on a losing streak and could kill their confidence. Obviously it could go the other way.
Probably lots of factors we know nothing about going in to these decisions.
Wish them all the best for the future.
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Post by cufcwill on Apr 9, 2024 13:49:40 GMT
Agree with pretty much all of that. If Yearn (or his parents/agent) have run out of patience here and want to try something new, that's entirely up to them, and I wish them well. The whole point of the loan system is to blood young players and see how they get on (as well as help crocked players get fit again, and poor ones off the books). If he'd gone to the conference south and torn it a new one, I'd personally find it a lot easier to criticise the club for not having tried him in the first team. As it is, he didn't, he's been injured a fair bit since. Wouldn't set much of an example if we'd just played him regardless of merit on the pitch/in training, would it? Had we “released” Yearn I could see your point. I think it’s likely he’s turned down a new deal, that’s the sad part about this. For whatever reasons he obviously doesn’t believe he has a future here. That’s why I want us to look in to how we handle the transition from development to first team. Something isn’t quite working. The fact he didn’t make much of an impression at Conference South could partly be due to the level of player he’s playing with. I don’t think anyone is saying he should be a first team regular, but it’s a shame to see a player with huge potential just walk away. Will hurt even more if he’s picked up by “That lot” and sold for ££££££ in 4 years time. It depends where he ends up for me. If he takes a step down but goes somewhere where he can play regularly and impress and potentially get back to this level or higher in a few years, similar to what Tom Knowles did a few seasons back and what Ben Worman seems to have done, or he ends up at a bigger club now then I wouldn't be hugely upset or disappointed, yes it's a young talent we've lost out on, but we also wouldn't be able to offer him what those club would be. However, if he ends up at a club around our level, that's when it's frustrating because whatever he's being offered there, both financially and in terms of gametime, is likely to be something we could have also offered.
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Apr 9, 2024 13:50:15 GMT
Had we “released” Yearn I could see your point. I think it’s likely he’s turned down a new deal, that’s the sad part about this. For whatever reasons he obviously doesn’t believe he has a future here. Has he though, do we know that to be the case? Or is that just speculation? If he rocks up somewhere else, and performs I'd definitely be disappointed we didn't benefit further from that, but player development is not entirely linear. It's affected by a lot of factors. It's why we can also benefit from picking up players like Lloyd Jones, Paul Mullin, or Sam Smith, for example (granted, we didn't get sell-ons for them, but they definitely improved us whilst here, so hopefully you get the point).
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Post by Andrewlang on Apr 9, 2024 13:55:10 GMT
Just speculation, but we're typically quite patient with our youngsters so if we've released who was, at one point the pick of a very exciting crop, after one year as a pro I'll be surprised.
Edit - it definitely reads as though it was our choice though.
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Post by danboyb on Apr 9, 2024 14:03:59 GMT
Had we “released” Yearn I could see your point. I think it’s likely he’s turned down a new deal, that’s the sad part about this. For whatever reasons he obviously doesn’t believe he has a future here. Has he though, do we know that to be the case? Or is that just speculation? If he rocks up somewhere else, and performs I'd definitely be disappointed we didn't benefit further from that, but player development is not entirely linear. It's affected by a lot of factors. It's why we can also benefit from picking up players like Lloyd Jones, Paul Mullin, or Sam Smith, for example (granted, we didn't get sell-ons for them, but they definitely improved us whilst here, so hopefully you get the point). I hope we offered him a deal, but seeing as we released Akanbi, who has literally just recovered from an ACL, who knows. Maybe it’s an early sign of us being more ruthless in terms of who we keep/release. The likes of Jones, Mullin, Smith and I’ll throw in Iredale and Knibbs are examples of players that our younger pros would look at and think, yes they’re good, I’m not going to get in ahead of them, but can learn from them. Unfortunately a few of our current crop have not been that good and the ones on the sidelines are probably thinking- “I could do better” But they can only prove that if given the chance. Jobe and to a much lesser extent Rossi have proven they can do better, hopefully that’s a sign of things to come moving forward.
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Post by ambernut on Apr 9, 2024 14:29:33 GMT
Had we “released” Yearn I could see your point. I think it’s likely he’s turned down a new deal, that’s the sad part about this. For whatever reasons he obviously doesn’t believe he has a future here. Has he though, do we know that to be the case? Or is that just speculation? If he rocks up somewhere else, and performs I'd definitely be disappointed we didn't benefit further from that, but player development is not entirely linear. It's affected by a lot of factors. It's why we can also benefit from picking up players like Lloyd Jones, Paul Mullin, or Sam Smith, for example (granted, we didn't get sell-ons for them, but they definitely improved us whilst here, so hopefully you get the point). danboyb seems to be misleading everyone on this. I have some dated inside knowledge, that Yearn had the talent but his application/attitude was lacking. I can only assume he has not improved or progressed enough to convince the coaching staff that he is worth persisting with.
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Post by danboyb on Apr 9, 2024 14:41:01 GMT
Has he though, do we know that to be the case? Or is that just speculation? If he rocks up somewhere else, and performs I'd definitely be disappointed we didn't benefit further from that, but player development is not entirely linear. It's affected by a lot of factors. It's why we can also benefit from picking up players like Lloyd Jones, Paul Mullin, or Sam Smith, for example (granted, we didn't get sell-ons for them, but they definitely improved us whilst here, so hopefully you get the point). danboyb seems to be misleading everyone on this. I have some dated inside knowledge, that Yearn had the talent but his application/attitude was lacking. I can only assume he has not improved or progressed enough to convince the coaching staff that he is worth persisting with. I’m not misleading anyone. Have stated that I’ve no Idea if he was released or turned down a new deal. Am surprised it’s taken someone so long to claim they have inside knowledge about a poor attitude tbh.
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Post by Andrewlang on Apr 9, 2024 14:50:57 GMT
Fwiw I've heard nothing but the complete opposite about him. Great lad, hardworking and disciplined.
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Post by danboyb on Apr 9, 2024 14:54:42 GMT
Fwiw I've heard nothing but the complete opposite about him. Great lad, hardworking and disciplined. Andrew Same. I would have more time for rumours to the contrary had they been stated weeks/months ago. Easy assumption to make after a surprise departure.
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Post by imp566 on Apr 9, 2024 14:55:17 GMT
Perhaps the releasing of all this young 'talent' is to free up some space and funds in the squad for seasoned pros who know League 1 well, at Monk's request? Not sure that is the case, but we will see when our summer recruitment/overhaul plays out.
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Post by Andrewlang on Apr 9, 2024 14:58:03 GMT
Not sure you'd be saving much money by releasing a few 18 year olds and youth team kids.
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Post by danboyb on Apr 9, 2024 15:02:35 GMT
Will be interesting to see what Monk does with the younger ones. He stated he liked them being out on loan, but then brought back Hoddle and Chadwick at the first opportunity and said he likes lots of options.
Is Holden injured or have we come to an agreement and terminated his contract early?
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