danboyb
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Post by danboyb on Jun 17, 2024 12:33:37 GMT
It’s more the attitude. For 15 mins last night we had Serbia pinned back in their own box, never mind their own half. Yes, they’re obviously a better side than Scotland but we could and arguably should have killed them off.
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Post by imp566 on Jun 17, 2024 12:35:01 GMT
I thought I would avoid this completely but had the games on in the background yesterday and I was amazed at how easily everybody falls over now. It's just a nonsense! Harry Kane, in particular, seems to be having a permanent battle with gravity. I remember when there used to be a bit of skill in conning the referee! Not that I can ever understand the justification for its use, VAR doesn't seem as intrusive here; a lthough Serbia will feel aggrieved that it didn't get involved! I thought they had a fair shout for a pen when Trippier cut across Mitrovic when he was going for the ball in the 6 yard box. Definitely stuck his leg across him.
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Post by simon on Jun 17, 2024 12:37:15 GMT
I thought I would avoid this completely but had the games on in the background yesterday and I was amazed at how easily everybody falls over now. It's just a nonsense! Harry Kane, in particular, seems to be having a permanent battle with gravity. I remember when there used to be a bit of skill in conning the referee! Not that I can ever understand the justification for its use, VAR doesn't seem as intrusive here; a lthough Serbia will feel aggrieved that it didn't get involved! I thought they had a fair shout for a pen when Trippier cut across Mitrovic when he was going for the ball in the 6 yard box. Definitely stuck his leg across him. Yep. File that one under VAR wouldn’t intervene if it was given.
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Post by danielcufc on Jun 17, 2024 12:40:03 GMT
Southgate has got to use a system that suits the players or use one and pick players to fit it. No more trying to shoe horn Foden & TAA into positions just because of their names and club. He made bold calls in leaving out Grealish & Rashford and picked Eze & Gordon so use one of them on the left! If that means Foden despite his talent is left out then so be it. If Warton or Manioo are good enough then play them in CM.
I'm not the greatest fan of 4231 and would rather us play 3 at the back and use width like he did in 2018. Im sure a more attacking coach could then use a 3 of Rice, Bellingham & Foden in midfield. Am I please we won - yes but with the players we have now compared to 10-12 years ago then we should be challenging and making the last 4 at least.
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Post by danboyb on Jun 17, 2024 12:40:24 GMT
In general the standard of refereeing seems to have been excellent so far. (From the games I’ve seen anyway)
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 17, 2024 12:43:27 GMT
It’s more the attitude. For 15 mins last night we had Serbia pinned back in their own box, never mind their own half. Yes, they’re obviously a better side than Scotland but we could and arguably should have killed them off. Not doubting that we should have killed them off but it was more our inability to keep the ball more than the usual issue of being passive in possession. Whether or not that's more or less worrying is a different debate but if we had won 1-0 with 75% possession I'd understand the 'attitude' argument more. You'd suspect that Slovenia will be more that kind of game but don't think it's a like to like comparison with Germany Scotland by any means.
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Post by simon on Jun 17, 2024 12:44:58 GMT
No gripes from me. We won, we got a clean sheet and scored a good goal. Growing into a tournament makes me much more optimistic than potentially peaking too early. Wouldn't have thought that that game would have taken too much out of the players either. Was surprised that Foden wasn't hooked, yes out of position but quality when on the ball was lacking last night Foden wasn’t out of position though. He played on the left with a license to drift inside - exactly as he does for Man City when De Bruyne plays. Fabregas had it spot on - he needs to impose himself on the game like Bellingham does, as opposed to Richards who gets hysterical saying we should build the team around him. In fact I thought Fabregas was an excellent pundit. Spot on re Foden, re Trent - someone that good has to play, and re Southgate - be more positive with your subs. As someone tweeted, it was like Paul McCartney sitting there with Jedward either side of him.
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Post by milesfenton on Jun 17, 2024 12:46:52 GMT
I thought I would avoid this completely but had the games on in the background yesterday and I was amazed at how easily everybody falls over now. It's just a nonsense! Harry Kane, in particular, seems to be having a permanent battle with gravity. I remember when there used to be a bit of skill in conning the referee! Not that I can ever understand the justification for its use, VAR doesn't seem as intrusive here; a lthough Serbia will feel aggrieved that it didn't get involved! I thought they had a fair shout for a pen when Trippier cut across Mitrovic when he was going for the ball in the 6 yard box. Definitely stuck his leg across him. And Kyle Walker had just been pushed off balance in the box at the other end as he went to cross/shoot, which was an even better shout. I don't have a problem with neither of them being given, but if anything I think the blatant shove in the back was the stronger shout.
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Post by belly77 on Jun 17, 2024 13:09:14 GMT
Foden is best in the middle recieving the ball in tight areas. The amount of times he was in space and Rice or Bellingham would take an extra touch before passing the ball was what stunted his game. When he goes or drops in give him the ball asap. That's where he does the damage.
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Post by imp566 on Jun 17, 2024 13:19:36 GMT
Foden is best in the middle recieving the ball in tight areas. The amount of times he was in space and Rice or Bellingham would take an extra touch before passing the ball was what stunted his game. When he goes or drops in give him the ball asap. That's where he does the damage. I think they (and Croatia in the last friendly) denied him time to think on the ball. They shut him down and marked him out of the game. That's where Bellingham is more advanced for me, he didn't allow that to happen and dominated the middle of the park. Really impressed by him, he is going to be a major player in this team for years if he stays fit and will soon be captaining the team I reckon.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 17, 2024 13:32:20 GMT
"In general the standard of refereeing seems to have been excellent so far. (From the games I’ve seen anyway)"
Agreed with that, VAR has been applied well too. The semi-automated offside system seems to work well enough.
I like that only the captain can approach the ref. It's not something I can see sticking in the premier league (I thought it was already a thing a thing actually) but it's good to see.
Anyway, just switched on Romania v Ukraine to see a stunner. Blimey.
Andrew
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 17, 2024 13:34:53 GMT
Foden is best in the middle recieving the ball in tight areas. The amount of times he was in space and Rice or Bellingham would take an extra touch before passing the ball was what stunted his game. When he goes or drops in give him the ball asap. That's where he does the damage. We will need our best players on the pitch when we play Italy and probably France. He will get more space in those games and has much more pedigree than Eze or Gordon in using it in big games against top quality opposition. To me it would be a mistake to drop a world class player, even if it helps balance the team against weaker opposition (although getting Shaw fit and starting will be more important to do that anyway) As Imp alluded to they man marked Foden well, Kane too, but they couldn't handle Saka in the first half. Foden, Kane, Saka is good variety and it'll take a good team to handle each of those threats plus Bellingham & set pieces. You only really need one to come off to win games in the group and maybe a couple in the knockouts.
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Post by imp566 on Jun 17, 2024 13:38:54 GMT
"In general the standard of refereeing seems to have been excellent so far. (From the games I’ve seen anyway)"
Agreed with that, VAR has been applied well too. The semi-automated offside system seems to work well enough.
I didn't see the game, but I believe that in the Spain v Croatia match, an offside was given from a goal kick, which as we all know isn't correct! Basic error!
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Post by zx10racer22 on Jun 17, 2024 13:59:10 GMT
We’ve got the players to win this thing, have we got the manager to achieve that? We have got the players and we have the manager. He's proven he has the ability to win the Euros by getting his team into a position where they're leading a penalty shootout in a final. The lap of the gods takes over from there. I find it weird that some people (not necessarily yourself, but just people in general) seem think we *should* be winning it, like we have the best team, head an shoulders above the rest. That's just not reality. No team can think that, ever. France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and even Germany have a chance of winning it. It's not a great German team, but being hosts usually lifts a team. The best any team can reasonably hope for, going into a tournament, is to be "in the mix". Get through your group and into the deeper stages on the tournament and be in the mix. If you do that consistently in big tournaments, last-8, last-4, or final... keep doing it and eventually the stars align and you win things. Up to 2016, Germany were masters at that. They didn't win every tournament but, pretty much, they were always there or thereabouts. England have only started doing that since Southgate arrived.
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Post by cambsno on Jun 17, 2024 14:03:02 GMT
We’ve got the players to win this thing, have we got the manager to achieve that? We have got the players and we have the manager. He's proven he has the ability to win the Euros by getting his team into a position where they're leading a penalty shootout in a final. The lap of the gods takes over from there. I find it weird that some people (not necessarily yourself, but just people in general) seem think we *should* be winning it, like we have the best team, head an shoulders above the rest. That's just not reality. No team can think that, ever. France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and even Germany have a chance of winning it. It's not a great German team, but being hosts usually lifts a team. The best any team can reasonably hope for, going into a tournament, is to be "in the mix". Get through your group and into the deeper stages on the tournament and be in the mix. If you do that consistently in big tournaments, last-8, last-4, or final... keep doing it and eventually the stars align and you win things. Up to 2016, Germany were masters at that. They didn't win every tournament but, pretty much, they were always there or thereabouts. England have only started doing that since Southgate arrived.
With possibly our strongest squad ever! Rice, Kane & Bellingham walk into any Int side, with Saka & Stones not far behind. We should have beaten Croatia & Italy and France we were just unlucky. He is too negative a manager and only now has he dropped big names for form players, having picked (among others) Henderson and Phillips all the time. We are a strong team, like City, Arsenal etc and should be smashing teams like they do or Germany did the other night. Be bolder with subs, get players off not playing well like Foden.
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