Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Sept 13, 2024 7:03:48 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farridge has good ideas deserves nothing more than ridicule and I have found that these people aren’t really worth the effort of engaging with. Fortunately, despite their constant claim that they are only saying what the majority are thinking, they are a minority. Unfortunately a noisy minority but you know what they say about empty vessels… And to BTB, you lost, get over it. They are quite a large minority though who do appear to be reshaping politics in the UK. People who voted Reform or have sympathies in that direction are ignored at our peril. The Labour share of the vote (excluding Scotland) was lower in the 2024 GE than it was with Corbyn at the helm in the 2019 GE.The labour government has to find a way to make things better for the cohort of voters that are drawn to Reform. Poltically this seems like a problem only for the Conservative party but should they not get the balance right in electing their new leader and the direction they take the rise in the far right will become increasingly dangerous. Sure that might mean the end of the Conservative party as we know it but get this right and it will allow the Conservative party to recover albeit without its political dominance while progressive politics could dominate for decades. Economic growth,improved earnings, reducing poverty and decent housing is the way. The government appear to know this and talk the talk about being on that trajectory but alas all they are projecting is doom and gloom and austerity. The only way to achieve anything meaningful within the next 4 years before they may well lose the next GE is to just get on with it now. Making noise about a £22 billion deficit when the uk has a GDP of £2.4 trillion is a drop in the ocean.Just spend now to sort out the mess in the UKs services and kick start growth in the UK. If that involves higher taxes then so be it. If they get it right growth will improve wages and the cost of living so we will all be better off and earning more to cover higher taxes. I am a labour party member with a particular interest in poverty in the uk and am disapointed in the governments poor start on the 2 child rule and the Winter Feul Payments. The 2CR was ideological from the Conservative government and should be in the DNA of a Labour government to scrap it straight away. The cost of £3 billion to scrap the 2CR and the benefit cap is easily affordble. The WFP should not have been scrapped for those on housing benefit and they could have waited until the following winter to give pensioners time to adjust their budget. Stupid back of a fag packet legislation that could have been better thought through. I am waiting on the budget at the end of October before deciding on whether I stay or leave the Labour party. The last thing the UK needs is more austerity. It fecked up the country when the Libdems and Conservatives brought in crippling austerity betweemn 2010 and 2012. Pointless exercise that causes suffering and costs more in subsequent years to even attempt to put right as the coalition government found. The UK is an indredibly wealthy country and can easily afford all we want and more.Just look at the Cambridgeshire area with average house values at £600k.So much wealth sat around doing nothing while so many millions are struggling to heat their homes and feed themselves and their families and over 2 million people in the UK use a food bank each year. Sort it out and the attraction so many working class people have to Reform and right wing politics will fade away. |
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Brophypants
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Post by Brophypants on Sept 13, 2024 7:38:57 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farridge has good ideas deserves nothing more than ridicule and I have found that these people aren’t really worth the effort of engaging with. Fortunately, despite their constant claim that they are only saying what the majority are thinking, they are a minority. Unfortunately a noisy minority but you know what they say about empty vessels… And to BTB, you lost, get over it. The country has lost, another Labour government already doing what every Labour government in history has done before. Let’s see how much worse things are in 5 years time when they are booted out. This is complete horseradish. The NHS, the minimum wage, record housebuilding and investment in public services, removing laws against homosexuality, enforcing equal pay, adding the equality and human rights acts... But what have Labour ever done for us, eh? Historically, Labour governments have left the country in a better state than they've found it. This is backed up by so much evidence it's unreal. Seriously, pick a statistic and then look at the ONS figures for it. The opposite is an outright lie that's only gained traction because of the persistence of the lie in a media dominated by people that get richer when Tories are in power. It's also just weird that you're going blah blah same old labour when so far they're mostly just enacting policies that the last government promoted. This very much is not same old Labour. They're peddling the same bullshit austerity narrative that's been the cornerstone of Tory policy since Thatcher. And their response to a paper that says unequivocally that (a) the NHS needs more funding, and (b) repeated top down reforms have crippled it has been to say "no more funding without top down reform." Either you know this and you're peddling ideological drivel for the sake of it, or you don't and you're just straight up refusing to engage in facts, at which point why even bother having such strongly held opinions? If you want to blindly support a side irrespective of what they're doing, congratulations, that's what football is for. Farage and his ilk really don't need any more of it. |
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cambsno
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Post by cambsno on Sept 13, 2024 9:01:42 GMT
Ok then. 1. Why can’t foreigners in our jails be repatriated? Sensible idea from Farage at last - 12% of the prison population 2. The “black hole” is pay rises that Labour approved and another £11.6bn sent abroad by Miliband for “green initiatives”. So it’s a Labour black hole and just a sound bite they are using. The FT used a freedom of information request to get details but were refused. Read into that what you will. 3. There are loads of Labour MPs who campaigned on keeping the WFA but when push came to shove they let their constituents down. That will come back to haunt them at the next election. 4. What else will the mad chancellor go for next, more low lying fruit like bus passes and single persons discount for council tax? Don't believe everything the biased right wing press say - The black hole was largely a Tory thing and that was said by the Director of IFS or something similar. WIth 1. we lost some of that right with Brexit and also, Boris and co had 14 years to do this so why are they not to blame rather than someone in the job 2 months? 3. Same with the Tories, yes Allen stood down but the idiot that replaced her was a Boris lap dog. Browne finally got what he deserved losing a really safe tory seat. He voted for Brexit and the deal which we didn't want 4. Hopefully the grab will be windfall tax and the billionaires not paying tax. |
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cambsno
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Post by cambsno on Sept 13, 2024 9:04:54 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farridge has good ideas deserves nothing more than ridicule and I have found that these people aren’t really worth the effort of engaging with. Fortunately, despite their constant claim that they are only saying what the majority are thinking, they are a minority. Unfortunately a noisy minority but you know what they say about empty vessels… And to BTB, you lost, get over it. The country has lost, another Labour government already doing what every Labour government in history has done before. Let’s see how much worse things are in 5 years time when they are booted out. Hmm, let me think about the last 14 years - the last 8 in particular: - Lost us billions in GDP with Brexit - Damaged our FX rate - Saw our triple AAA rating downgraded - Tax rises - Made our NHS even worse - Immigration problems - Corruptions - Putting party before country Tell me something good the last government did for us? |
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cambsno
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Post by cambsno on Sept 13, 2024 9:08:48 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farridge has good ideas deserves nothing more than ridicule and I have found that these people aren’t really worth the effort of engaging with. Fortunately, despite their constant claim that they are only saying what the majority are thinking, they are a minority. Unfortunately a noisy minority but you know what they say about empty vessels… And to BTB, you lost, get over it. They are quite a large minority though who do appear to be reshaping politics in the UK. People who voted Reform or have sympathies in that direction are ignored at our peril. The Labour share of the vote (excluding Scotland) was lower in the 2024 GE than it was with Corbyn at the helm in the 2019 GE.The labour government has to find a way to make things better for the cohort of voters that are drawn to Reform. Poltically this seems like a problem only for the Conservative party but should they not get the balance right in electing their new leader and the direction they take the rise in the far right will become increasingly dangerous. Sure that might mean the end of the Conservative party as we know it but get this right and it will allow the Conservative party to recover albeit without its political dominance while progressive politics could dominate for decades. Economic growth,improved earnings, reducing poverty and decent housing is the way. The government appear to know this and talk the talk about being on that trajectory but alas all they are projecting is doom and gloom and austerity. The only way to achieve anything meaningful within the next 4 years before they may well lose the next GE is to just get on with it now. Making noise about a £22 billion deficit when the uk has a GDP of £2.4 trillion is a drop in the ocean.Just spend now to sort out the mess in the UKs services and kick start growth in the UK. If that involves higher taxes then so be it. If they get it right growth will improve wages and the cost of living so we will all be better off and earning more to cover higher taxes. I am a labour party member with a particular interest in poverty in the uk and am disapointed in the governments poor start on the 2 child rule and the Winter Feul Payments. The 2CR was ideological from the Conservative government and should be in the DNA of a Labour government to scrap it straight away. The cost of £3 billion to scrap the 2CR and the benefit cap is easily affordble. The WFP should not have been scrapped for those on housing benefit and they could have waited until the following winter to give pensioners time to adjust their budget. Stupid back of a fag packet legislation that could have been better thought through. I am waiting on the budget at the end of October before deciding on whether I stay or leave the Labour party. The last thing the UK needs is more austerity. It fecked up the country when the Libdems and Conservatives brought in crippling austerity betweemn 2010 and 2012. Pointless exercise that causes suffering and costs more in subsequent years to even attempt to put right as the coalition government found. The UK is an indredibly wealthy country and can easily afford all we want and more.Just look at the Cambridgeshire area with average house values at £600k.So much wealth sat around doing nothing while so many millions are struggling to heat their homes and feed themselves and their families and over 2 million people in the UK use a food bank each year. Sort it out and the attraction so many working class people have to Reform and right wing politics will fade away. the 2CR is a sensible idea - its your choice to have kids, 2 is enough, if you want more pay for it! With the example of Cambs, working people need to find 300-400k just for a basic 3 bed house, so while they may have expensive housing, they are by no means rich and we need to stop grabbing money off middle earners again. |
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Post by Denton on Sept 13, 2024 10:40:43 GMT
They are quite a large minority though who do appear to be reshaping politics in the UK. People who voted Reform or have sympathies in that direction are ignored at our peril. The Labour share of the vote (excluding Scotland) was lower in the 2024 GE than it was with Corbyn at the helm in the 2019 GE.The labour government has to find a way to make things better for the cohort of voters that are drawn to Reform. Poltically this seems like a problem only for the Conservative party but should they not get the balance right in electing their new leader and the direction they take the rise in the far right will become increasingly dangerous. Sure that might mean the end of the Conservative party as we know it but get this right and it will allow the Conservative party to recover albeit without its political dominance while progressive politics could dominate for decades. Economic growth,improved earnings, reducing poverty and decent housing is the way. The government appear to know this and talk the talk about being on that trajectory but alas all they are projecting is doom and gloom and austerity. The only way to achieve anything meaningful within the next 4 years before they may well lose the next GE is to just get on with it now. Making noise about a £22 billion deficit when the uk has a GDP of £2.4 trillion is a drop in the ocean.Just spend now to sort out the mess in the UKs services and kick start growth in the UK. If that involves higher taxes then so be it. If they get it right growth will improve wages and the cost of living so we will all be better off and earning more to cover higher taxes. I am a labour party member with a particular interest in poverty in the uk and am disapointed in the governments poor start on the 2 child rule and the Winter Feul Payments. The 2CR was ideological from the Conservative government and should be in the DNA of a Labour government to scrap it straight away. The cost of £3 billion to scrap the 2CR and the benefit cap is easily affordble. The WFP should not have been scrapped for those on housing benefit and they could have waited until the following winter to give pensioners time to adjust their budget. Stupid back of a fag packet legislation that could have been better thought through. I am waiting on the budget at the end of October before deciding on whether I stay or leave the Labour party. The last thing the UK needs is more austerity. It fecked up the country when the Libdems and Conservatives brought in crippling austerity betweemn 2010 and 2012. Pointless exercise that causes suffering and costs more in subsequent years to even attempt to put right as the coalition government found. The UK is an indredibly wealthy country and can easily afford all we want and more.Just look at the Cambridgeshire area with average house values at £600k.So much wealth sat around doing nothing while so many millions are struggling to heat their homes and feed themselves and their families and over 2 million people in the UK use a food bank each year. Sort it out and the attraction so many working class people have to Reform and right wing politics will fade away. the 2CR is a sensible idea - its your choice to have kids, 2 is enough, if you want more pay for it! With the example of Cambs, working people need to find 300-400k just for a basic 3 bed house, so while they may have expensive housing, they are by no means rich and we need to stop grabbing money off middle earners again. No horse in this race but i'll go with the Free Childcare that Rishi introduced. Makes having children much more affordable, does make getting a place at a nursery more impossible but that's the next issue to fix |
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barry
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Post by barry on Sept 15, 2024 22:44:05 GMT
So, Boris had a sugar daddy who paid for his decorating and was berated by Starmer for it. Now Starmer has a sugar daddy who buys his wife dresses and he “forgot” to declare it. They are all as bad as each other.
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Post by imp566 on Sept 16, 2024 7:38:02 GMT
As soon as people realise that whatever the colour of the tie that politicians wear is, they are all the same, the better.
Lammy was a pathetic apologist for the PM yesterday, trying to justify that the PM's wife doesn't have a budget for her clothing! How pathetic. If her husband can't afford to dress his wife on his own substantial income, how do they expect the poorly funded people in our society to manage their own personal meagre budgets?
As I say, they are all the same, calling the government (of whatever flavour) out for their shady behaviour and bending the rules, then as soon as they win an election, noses deep into the trough!
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Post by Funky Monk on Sept 16, 2024 21:13:34 GMT
Starmer would never use taxpayers money to shag a septic though. Shame for him.
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cambsno
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Post by cambsno on Sept 17, 2024 14:20:22 GMT
As soon as people realise that whatever the colour of the tie that politicians wear is, they are all the same, the better. Lammy was a pathetic apologist for the PM yesterday, trying to justify that the PM's wife doesn't have a budget for her clothing! How pathetic. If her husband can't afford to dress his wife on his own substantial income, how do they expect the poorly funded people in our society to manage their own personal meagre budgets? As I say, they are all the same, calling the government (of whatever flavour) out for their shady behaviour and bending the rules, then as soon as they win an election, noses deep into the trough! A PMs salary is not that much when you think they run the country - something like 150 or 180k? Also - if she is expected to do public engagements which I think she does, surely she should get that paid for? Assuming there is a process for that? |
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Post by lesj on Sept 17, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
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imp566
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Post by imp566 on Sept 17, 2024 16:07:55 GMT
As soon as people realise that whatever the colour of the tie that politicians wear is, they are all the same, the better. Lammy was a pathetic apologist for the PM yesterday, trying to justify that the PM's wife doesn't have a budget for her clothing! How pathetic. If her husband can't afford to dress his wife on his own substantial income, how do they expect the poorly funded people in our society to manage their own personal meagre budgets? As I say, they are all the same, calling the government (of whatever flavour) out for their shady behaviour and bending the rules, then as soon as they win an election, noses deep into the trough! A PMs salary is not that much when you think they run the country - something like 150 or 180k? Also - if she is expected to do public engagements which I think she does, surely she should get that paid for? Assuming there is a process for that? If you think Starmer is living off his PM's salary, you are deluded! |
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barry
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Post by barry on Sept 20, 2024 6:45:39 GMT
The Tory MPs set a low bar but jeez Jess Phillips is as thick as pig rubbish.
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Post by Funky Monk on Sept 20, 2024 10:59:51 GMT
What's she done now?
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Post by spyros on Sept 20, 2024 13:24:03 GMT
We may never know - I suspect there's a few dozen Twitter accounts to be tended before he gets to us. |
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