badders12
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Post by badders12 on Aug 20, 2024 7:06:08 GMT
This is what we are in the market for ? Aged players that have never had a successful season anywhere and therefore unlikely to do this for us either on what will be an expensive wage .
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Post by jamesm6688 on Aug 20, 2024 7:32:27 GMT
Nice to hear the club regularly being slagged off for rumours backed by no evidence. Wasn’t that long ago the club were being applauded for their early business & quality of signings 😂
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Post by imp566 on Aug 20, 2024 7:58:30 GMT
Nice to hear the club regularly being slagged off for rumours backed by no evidence. Wasn’t that long ago the club were being applauded for their early business & quality of signings 😂 Yes, but I feel those were players that Monk had already identified (and talked to) that he knew already, especially Gardner and Smith. Neither of who arrived anything like fit enough for pre-season, and subsequently Gardner hasn't played a minute for us yet. Lavery looks like a shrewd signing, if he has a reliable strike partner alongside to take the pressure off his shoulders; Reyes was probably a Strang signing, Loft, not sure, but again another who has picked up an injury. Richards, well the jury is still out with him; definitely got potential, but not fit enough to show it yet in the starting XI. I would call it a mixed bag at the moment, we have yet to see the true value of our investment.
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Post by Boris Mineburg on Aug 20, 2024 8:21:08 GMT
Nice to hear the club regularly being slagged off for rumours backed by no evidence. Wasn’t that long ago the club were being applauded for their early business & quality of signings 😂 Yes, but I feel those were players that Monk had already identified (and talked to) that he knew already, especially Gardner and Smith. Neither of who arrived anything like fit enough for pre-season, and subsequently Gardner hasn't played a minute for us yet. Lavery looks like a shrewd signing, if he has a reliable strike partner alongside to take the pressure off his shoulders; Reyes was probably a Strang signing, Loft, not sure, but again another who has picked up an injury. Richards, well the jury is still out with him; definitely got potential, but not fit enough to show it yet in the starting XI. I would call it a mixed bag at the moment, we have yet to see the true value of our investment. I think the value in our investment is as much about the length of the contracts that we have offered to some players as it is to the players we have brought in so far. Being able and confident enough to offer 3 year deals to players, be it young players or new signings in something that we haven't had at the club for a while. It should at least mean that we can start to receive fees and decent sell ons to any players that do shine and go on to bigger and better things and avoid losing players like Jones and Mannion for diddly squat. And to that note I'd be pinning Barton to the floor and getting him on a long deal ASAP too - especially as it appears that we might be being held over a barrel by Liam Bennett and his apparent refusal to sign a new deal. ...but we do still desperately need to sign and hopefully we haven't spent our load in offering longer deals and signing the players we have so far. I do think it's been a better window at this point than in the past however many seasons. Being able to bring in players of the calibre of Smith, Gardner and Lavery does show a massive improvement - but sadly we do need 2 or 3 more of those to compete in what is one of the strongest L1's for a number of years. I'm still positive that we will get 2 new attackers through the door but like others have said, wouldn't be surprised if on paper they are a tad underwhelming - an aged lump and a raw loanee. But I like Monk and I have faith in him to get a good shift out of them.
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Post by cambsno on Aug 20, 2024 8:46:35 GMT
Yes, but I feel those were players that Monk had already identified (and talked to) that he knew already, especially Gardner and Smith. Neither of who arrived anything like fit enough for pre-season, and subsequently Gardner hasn't played a minute for us yet. Lavery looks like a shrewd signing, if he has a reliable strike partner alongside to take the pressure off his shoulders; Reyes was probably a Strang signing, Loft, not sure, but again another who has picked up an injury. Richards, well the jury is still out with him; definitely got potential, but not fit enough to show it yet in the starting XI. I would call it a mixed bag at the moment, we have yet to see the true value of our investment. I think the value in our investment is as much about the length of the contracts that we have offered to some players as it is to the players we have brought in so far. Being able and confident enough to offer 3 year deals to players, be it young players or new signings in something that we haven't had at the club for a while. It should at least mean that we can start to receive fees and decent sell ons to any players that do shine and go on to bigger and better things and avoid losing players like Jones and Mannion for diddly squat. And to that note I'd be pinning Barton to the floor and getting him on a long deal ASAP too - especially as it appears that we might be being held over a barrel by Liam Bennett and his apparent refusal to sign a new deal. ...but we do still desperately need to sign and hopefully we haven't spent our load in offering longer deals and signing the players we have so far. I do think it's been a better window at this point than in the past however many seasons. Being able to bring in players of the calibre of Smith, Gardner and Lavery does show a massive improvement - but sadly we do need 2 or 3 more of those to compete in what is one of the strongest L1's for a number of years. I'm still positive that we will get 2 new attackers through the door but like others have said, wouldn't be surprised if on paper they are a tad underwhelming - an aged lump and a raw loanee. But I like Monk and I have faith in him to get a good shift out of them. I would rather we didn't lump a long deal on barton just yet - a couple of promising games does not mean he will be a superstar. What if he doesn't develop and his physicality is an issue, stuck with him! Lots of young players show promise and don't kick on - Worman and Simper for example. The has a good few months with goals then sure, sign him up. But even the likes of Janneh can have a good few games and show promise!
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Post by Jerry1971 on Aug 20, 2024 9:06:42 GMT
Barts is frankly different from anyone we’ve had at the club for a very long time, perhaps ever. For a player of his age he looks an incredible talent. He needs to be tied down to us for his future development and for us to reap the rewards of ten years of his development so far.
There will clearly be setbacks in his first team journey - that is only to be expected, but with careful management he could really excel for us and in his own career too.
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Post by danboyb on Aug 20, 2024 9:12:35 GMT
If we’re handing out extensions to Rossi then a longer term deal for Barton is a no brainer. Word gets round quickly and clubs will already be aware of him. As Jerry alludes to, it really is vital we don’t let players like him slip through our fingers. You never know when the next one will come along.
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Post by cambsno on Aug 20, 2024 9:24:20 GMT
Barts is frankly different from anyone we’ve had at the club for a very long time, perhaps ever. For a player of his age he looks an incredible talent. He needs to be tied down to us for his future development and for us to reap the rewards of ten years of his development so far. There will clearly be setbacks in his first team journey - that is only to be expected, but with careful management he could really excel for us and in his own career too. Really? Granted I have only seen the Crawley game, but trying to be impartial - Physically he is weak, especially against some of the huge physical L1 players we face. Appreciate that probably comes with age and he should bulk out. Yes, he has made some good exciting runs, probably youthful enthusiasm, how long till we beat that out of him and make him more conservative!! Finishing, based on just one game granted, seems questionable. Not denying he could be a talented player, but for us to start thinking of big contract after a couple of games seems crazy.
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Post by imp566 on Aug 20, 2024 9:27:27 GMT
A longer deal for Barton would make perfect sense; he won't be on BIG money and I have no doubt his agent will negotiate incentives for him to keep developing through the duration of his contracts, probably with top ups added on based on performance.
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Post by saltyvinegar on Aug 20, 2024 9:35:19 GMT
If we don't secure prospects like Barton on a decent length contract then we can't then moan about seeing them leave for literally bugger all. It is always a gamble on potential talent but this one should be worth taking. As Imp says, he wouldn't be mega money at this stage of his career
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Post by danielcufc on Aug 20, 2024 9:42:10 GMT
Barts is frankly different from anyone we’ve had at the club for a very long time, perhaps ever. For a player of his age he looks an incredible talent. He needs to be tied down to us for his future development and for us to reap the rewards of ten years of his development so far. There will clearly be setbacks in his first team journey - that is only to be expected, but with careful management he could really excel for us and in his own career too. Really? Granted I have only seen the Crawley game, but trying to be impartial - Physically he is weak, especially against some of the huge physical L1 players we face. Appreciate that probably comes with age and he should bulk out. Yes, he has made some good exciting runs, probably youthful enthusiasm, how long till we beat that out of him and make him more conservative!! Finishing, based on just one game granted, seems questionable. Not denying he could be a talented player, but for us to start thinking of big contract after a couple of games seems crazy. I don't think people are suggesting making him out highest paid player but to tie him down for another couple of years. I agree that young players can go either way and we've seen the likes of Davies, Simper start well and then fade. Its about protecting the investment in him. Bennett could go for nothing in the summer like others before him. He won't be the highest paid player so a small risk with possible reward IMO
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Post by danboyb on Aug 20, 2024 9:45:04 GMT
There is no doubt he will have a dip in form and being so slight he will pick up injuries. After the Stockport game I said on here it’s a worry that he’s our best player, in many ways it still is. But the way he played against QPR really was something special
I was very young when Lee Philpott terrorised defences here but heard a few older fans say they haven’t seen a player scare the opposition like that since Lee was here in the early 90s.
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Post by Andrewlang on Aug 20, 2024 9:59:53 GMT
"I was very young when Lee Philpott terrorised defences here but heard a few older fans say they haven’t seen a player scare the opposition like that since Lee was here in the early 90s"
Ah, I dunno. Riza and Tudor spring to mind. Peak Tudor was incredible.
United's fitness guys will know when or if he needs to bulk up physically...I'm not entirely convinced he does need to bulk up too much to be honest. He's a feisty little bugger with good balance and easily handled himself against some physical brutes trying to lever him off the ball at the weekend. The only time he looked like a little rag doll was when some bully boy jumped through his back.
I'd be happy if we offered him a longer deal. No idea if he'll be a superstar or not but I'd rather find those details out while he's our player.
Andrew
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Post by badders12 on Aug 20, 2024 10:08:46 GMT
Same here it’s no good trying to offer deals later when he is on everyone’s radar and his agent agent is busy touting clubs .
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Post by jamesm6688 on Aug 20, 2024 10:22:03 GMT
I’m going to put it out there….. but I think the club may be a step ahead of the forum on considering the contract length for Barton…. as stupid as that sounds….
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