moose
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Nov 14, 2016 15:11:32 GMT
Post by moose on Nov 14, 2016 15:11:32 GMT
The world hasn't ended, but then we haven't Brexited either, so that is some specious logic. Not sure the American "people have spoken" either (as someone else said). Looking at the polls, Hillary still has a greater share of the popular vote. To carry on the Brexit analogy, the Democrats should be moaning about "the will of the people being blocked by the establishment"... That's irrelevant though, their system doesn't work that way. You can't change the rules after an election to suit you. Much like the bremoaners trying to make up rules to gain a second referendum. Brexit and Trump are symptomatic of people fed up of nothing changing. I think it's a good thing personally. Reading the Guardian website the last couple of days has been hilarious. Anyone who reads that paper has to be properly mental. Irrelevant to what? Someone drew a parallel with Brexit and I drew another one. I am aware of how their system works and I'm not suggesting that they change the rules after the election, I'm just saying it feels wrong that the majority of people vote for you and you end up losing. If you want to talk about people trying to change the rules after the result, you should speak to the people that want to enact Article 50 immediately, just because of the outcome of an advisory referendum. Our system doesn't work that way...
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Trump
Nov 14, 2016 17:54:18 GMT
Post by Domingo in Little Oakley on Nov 14, 2016 17:54:18 GMT
That's irrelevant though, their system doesn't work that way. You can't change the rules after an election to suit you. Much like the bremoaners trying to make up rules to gain a second referendum. Brexit and Trump are symptomatic of people fed up of nothing changing. I think it's a good thing personally. Reading the Guardian website the last couple of days has been hilarious. Anyone who reads that paper has to be properly mental. Irrelevant to what? Someone drew a parallel with Brexit and I drew another one. I am aware of how their system works and I'm not suggesting that they change the rules after the election, I'm just saying it feels wrong that the majority of people vote for you and you end up losing. If you want to talk about people trying to change the rules after the result, you should speak to the people that want to enact Article 50 immediately, just because of the outcome of an advisory referendum. Our system doesn't work that way... I agree with you on that point. It's a stupid system where you can lose with a greater number of votes but that's the way it is.
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Mark of Carnage
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Nov 14, 2016 18:41:28 GMT
Post by Mark of Carnage on Nov 14, 2016 18:41:28 GMT
Irrelevant to what? Someone drew a parallel with Brexit and I drew another one. I am aware of how their system works and I'm not suggesting that they change the rules after the election, I'm just saying it feels wrong that the majority of people vote for you and you end up losing. If you want to talk about people trying to change the rules after the result, you should speak to the people that want to enact Article 50 immediately, just because of the outcome of an advisory referendum. Our system doesn't work that way... I agree with you on that point. It's a stupid system where you can lose with a greater number of votes but that's the way it is. Democracy is over rated
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Trump
Nov 15, 2016 12:56:21 GMT
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Post by warren62 on Nov 15, 2016 12:56:21 GMT
The great thing about democracy is, like life, there are winners and losers, and there is always normally an opportunity for change - credible opposition policy and leadership . But for life some don't have the option to make better life changes they should be helped. Those who have made their own poor choices can FRO.
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neilmc4
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Post by neilmc4 on Nov 15, 2016 15:38:57 GMT
"Those who have made their own poor choices can FRO"
Good to see we`ve moved on from the Victorian idea of the deserving and undeserving poor.............
On a related theme it was interesting to read an article this week about the Dutch attitude to prison and convicted offenders. Re-offending rates in the Dutch penal system are now so low that they`re having to import prisoners from Belgium to keep prisons from closing due to chronic UNDERpopulation. The secret? Treating offenders as individuals and tailoring punishment and rehabilitation to their specific needs. For example , if they`re an addict , get them on a detox programme ; if they`re stealing to make ends meet , get them trained into a trade and give them debt management classes. Obviously dangerous and/or violent individuals are kept secure for as long as necessary but the vast majority of Dutch first-time offenders DON`T go back inside. No doubt a lot of these people have made "poor choices". But if those limp-wristed lily-livered politically-correct lefties in the Netherlands can turn them into useful law-abiding members of society how stupid is it to carry on pursuing a policy of "FRO" which just keeps on returning the same people to prison for the same offences time and time again?
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Sandypants
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Nov 22, 2016 20:33:04 GMT
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Post by Sandypants on Nov 22, 2016 20:33:04 GMT
Until we actually start living in a meritocracy, the "poor life choices" argument can FRO.
People make poor life choices all the time. Whether or not you can afford to make them has nothing to do with what you deserve and very much more to do with environment, family, blind luck, and, flip, how long it has been since your professor at uni had a meal before grading your dissertation.
The meritocratic fallacy really gained traction again with Thatcher, and hasn't died since. It's just easier to accept that the world is largely just, because the truth that you potentially have no power to halt a series of events that puts you right where that awful homeless person is, isn't.
"Righties" always play the cuckoo land card, but it almost always comes from a nonsensical belief that your environment and an infinite number of things you have no control over can't shape your life in ways you can not ever hope to influence.
That people actually believe a world so large and complex and so shaped by the whims of whoever has power at any level, can actually have anything resembling a "deserving poor" only showcases the kind of luck and ignorance (willful or otherwise) that truly populates cloud cuckoo land.
But seriously, that Owen bloke is a twunt and it's no wonder the left are so often criticised when their mouthpieces are the guardian, the green party and a host of celebrity comedians.
But also seriously, this right wing obsession with a lefty generation of softly-dusted cupcakes is the biggest absurdity of them all. By all metrics the british left has shrunk. The traditionally left-leaning party try to kill themselves every time they go anywhere near the centre (much less towards the left), there's only one rag with a leftwing bias and it's rightfully ridiculed, the multimedia world is ruled by right-wing dinosaurs... The world and country have shifted so far to the right in recent years it's damn near unprecedented, and yet the right and centrist masses still bitch about the tiny portion of lefties still complaining as if they're the ones in charge of nearly all media and government in the West for around four decades.
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Mark of Carnage
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Jan 13, 2017 13:34:11 GMT
Post by Mark of Carnage on Jan 13, 2017 13:34:11 GMT
I'm trying to stay away but Trump's twitter feed is painfully addictive.
His tweets are just so comic- FAKE NEWS by sleazebag political opponents and a failed British spy of him hiring prostitutes in 2013 to urinate on the bed previously slept in by Obama and his wife.
The leader of the most powerful nation on the planet and leader of the western world is making a laughing stock of the USA. How long before he is impeached. There are already several grounds he can be impeached on. I guess the Senate is waiting for him to take Office and then make such a tit of himself that even populists that elected him will want to feed him to the wolves. Fingers very crossed he doesn't f u ck up the world for the rest of us in the meantime.
Only a matter of time before he becomes the first president of the USA to be impeached and removed from office.
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tommy
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Jan 16, 2017 8:54:10 GMT
Post by tommy on Jan 16, 2017 8:54:10 GMT
Only a matter of time before he becomes the first president of the USA to be impeached and removed from office. I admire your optimism. Hopefully we'll get that free trade agreement first.
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Trump
Jan 16, 2017 18:24:01 GMT
Post by Russ Greaves on Jan 16, 2017 18:24:01 GMT
I hesitate to reproduce this here, but do so without comment. You can take a punt at the author (paragraphs added by me, for your convenience):
"I mentioned the US...and that is where I am heading. For pure accountability reasons to you reading this thread I say the following. " Those who follow my posts on FB or in Political forums will know of my activity/connections over recent years to our Country's interests Stateside. I did say before Donald's win that we would become number 1 trading partner...top of the list as opposed to a limp threat by Obama of being placed at the bottom. That assertion was confirmed by Boris yesterday...3 months later......sigh....thanx to others efforts outside of Central Govt. I digress.
"I have had several offers come my way as a consequence of my connections/activity on the Political stage and yes an invite to the inauguration is in hand too!x I have thought deeply as to my commitments here in the UK...and to the UK's future....and after considering all....I believe for the foreseeable future my efforts will be best spent and rewarded by going.
"I can safely say this...as a result of happenings...covert in the main...Great Britain is in the best position possible to face Brexit and a new beginning than it ever has been. Theresa is beginning to realise that and equally knows she cannot keep a reign on it either...during her reign!! That opportunity has to be seized and acted upon where possible. I can. My positive relationship with Betsy De Vos since 1989 who has been made Education Minister...and belongs to one of the richest family's in the USA...has opened doors....as has my jovial meetings with Donald over the past 10 years in Scotland!!
"Add to that my support of Nigel Farage in ways and means in the last few years/elections then yes...I...am a 'hero' over here to many...and over there...and even tho' i say it myself.....rightly so!x
"On that basis...I am going to 'cash in' on that qdos and see what i can do to help our Country...progress."
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Post by Rear Admiral Leonard Pickles on Jan 16, 2017 19:30:02 GMT
I'm not sure about America, but a lengthy spell in Fulbourn would be appropriate for him.
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MartinL
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Jan 16, 2017 20:00:09 GMT
Post by MartinL on Jan 16, 2017 20:00:09 GMT
There's a whole thread on Histon's board which is nothing but posts by him. Pretty sure some of it may be libellous if anyone actually cared to read all of it but we all know how hard that is! I don't know what to make of him. I think nowadays I just pity him.
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squibbon
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Post by squibbon on Jan 16, 2017 20:40:34 GMT
Donald Trump will crap himself next time he visits the Histon forum!
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Rico
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Post by Rico on Jan 16, 2017 21:13:15 GMT
Aren't people with criminal records barred from entering the United States?
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MartinL
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Jan 16, 2017 21:18:31 GMT
Post by MartinL on Jan 16, 2017 21:18:31 GMT
Like his ban from the Abbey, it doesn't count if it was for a greater cause.
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neilmc4
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Post by neilmc4 on Jan 17, 2017 14:19:06 GMT
In the words of the late great Mega City Four - "It would be funny if it weren`t so sad"
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