Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Nov 13, 2016 12:00:07 GMT
No, your politics are the politics of someone living in dreamland. If you're someone who has made shitty life choices then no, you're not as deserving as someone who has taken responsibility for themselves and works hard to provide for themselves. What if someone who works hard loses their job or becomes disabled? Are they still deserving in your world or is that just a shitty life choice? Who decides? You?
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Nov 13, 2016 12:02:51 GMT
Post by Domingo in Little Oakley on Nov 13, 2016 12:02:51 GMT
No, your politics are the politics of someone living in dreamland. If you're someone who has made shitty life choices then no, you're not as deserving as someone who has taken responsibility for themselves and works hard to provide for themselves. What if someone who works hard loses their job or becomes disabled? Are they still deserving in your world or is that just a shitty life choice? Who decides? You? Who chooses to become disabled? You're talking complete nonsense.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Nov 13, 2016 12:15:16 GMT
What if someone who works hard loses their job or becomes disabled? Are they still deserving in your world or is that just a shitty life choice? Who decides? You? Who chooses to become disabled? You're talking complete nonsense. You were the one talking about shitty life choices. I was just trying to talk your lingo. Agreed it is nonsense and that's the point. What has choice got to do with anything when more often than not poverty is a result of one or more series of events not least what class you are born to.
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Rico
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Post by Rico on Nov 13, 2016 12:15:36 GMT
To being this back to football (kind of) I've just read that one of man U's owners Ed Glazier gave money to both the the Trump and Clinton campaigns!
Shows if anyone was in any doubt that these donors only do it for dodgy reasons and to maintain influence (however small).
Maybe one he best things we could do to tackle the amount of influence the elite have over politics is to start limiting or completely banning external funding? If it means the tax payers have to stump up some cash then so be it. Problem is most of the press and particularly the tabloids would kick off big time to protect their owners influence but surely anyone with half a brain cell could see this would improve things?
It's no wonder every single political party is bent under the current system when they have to go cap in hand to the super rich (and/or foreign powers) to help them get elected.
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Post by habinagedu on Nov 13, 2016 12:19:25 GMT
To being this back to football (kind of) I've just read that one of man U's owners Ed Glazier gave money to both the the Trump and Clinton campaigns! Shows if anyone was in any doubt that these donors only do it for dodgy reasons and to maintain influence (however small). Maybe one he best things we could do to tackle the amount of influence the elite have over politics is to start limiting or completely banning external funding? If it means the tax payers have to stump up some cash then so be it. Problem is most of the press and particularly the tabloids would kick off big time to protect their owners influence but surely anyone with half a brain cell could see this would improve things? It's no wonder every single political party is bent under the current system when they have to go cap in hand to the super rich (and/or foreign powers) to help them get elected. And, in some cases, the super rich unions also seeking to protect their political influence and interests...
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Alan
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Post by Alan on Nov 13, 2016 13:55:14 GMT
No, your politics are the politics of someone living in dreamland. If you're someone who has made shitty life choices then no, you're not as deserving as someone who has taken responsibility for themselves and works hard to provide for themselves. Obviously a lot of people are currently making shitty life choices based on a system that has destroyed their jobs and abandoned them, but I don't think thats what you mean so please explain what shitty life choices that leave an individual or family destitute in poverty render them not deserving of help.
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Nov 13, 2016 14:08:02 GMT
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Post by Alan on Nov 13, 2016 14:08:02 GMT
Yes. And I'm glad you find the left getting a bollocking as funny as the rest of us: Good video. Labour has always had a problem with vested interests pushing irrational policies on people ( as have all political parties under our system), but it became particularly bad when the establishment moved all mainstream political nuance into an apparent centre ground which was actually centre right. Labour is now wracked by the dispute between establishment and (a wide band of) reactionary forces.
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Post by Domingo in Little Oakley on Nov 13, 2016 14:24:50 GMT
No, your politics are the politics of someone living in dreamland. If you're someone who has made shitty life choices then no, you're not as deserving as someone who has taken responsibility for themselves and works hard to provide for themselves. Obviously a lot of people are currently making shitty life choices based on a system that has destroyed their jobs and abandoned them, but I don't think thats what you mean so please explain what shitty life choices that leave an individual or family destitute in poverty render them not deserving of help. Your attitude of 'it's all someone else's fault' is exactly the problem. I'm not denying that some people are dealt a duff hand in life, that's just life, but there are plenty of people that choose to get involved in drugs or crime, that choose to have kids at a young age that they can't afford to bring up, that choose to be lazy and not get a job. Those are some of the shitty life choices I'm talking about and there is nothing fair in expecting the rest of society, who take responsibility for their actions, to foot the bill.
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Rico
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Nov 13, 2016 15:53:07 GMT
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Post by Rico on Nov 13, 2016 15:53:07 GMT
Politics is basically just a big blame game though isn't it? How many people hold their hands up and admit responsibility for how crap their or someone else's lives are because of their actions? I can't see them.
Left wing people tend to blame the right wingers and the rich and powerful. Right wingers blame the lefties, the poor, immigrants and foreigners etc
Everyone now blames the faceless elites / establishment including those that are clearly part of that same elite establishment group themselves (see Trump).
Also see media bias - everyone thinks it's out to get them - it's either too liberal or too right wing depending on what side of the fence you sit on.
*sigh*
Maybe a big world war is actually our best option. flip all of us.
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Post by MartinL on Nov 13, 2016 16:17:23 GMT
So after your little rant that he finds "everything homophobic" you finish off with a homophobic comment. He's gay, he'd be surrounded by men in prison, how on earth is that homophobic? This is exactly the problem little snowflake. I rest my case
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Nov 13, 2016 17:21:06 GMT
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Post by brianis53 on Nov 13, 2016 17:21:06 GMT
Congratulations Mr Trump
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Post by madmarvin on Nov 13, 2016 18:31:57 GMT
I hate to break it to you but I don't think he reads this message board.
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Post by keepitamber on Nov 13, 2016 18:35:08 GMT
No, your politics are the politics of someone living in dreamland. If you're someone who has made shitty life choices then no, you're not as deserving as someone who has taken responsibility for themselves and works hard to provide for themselves. I wonder what enabled the billionaire Mr trump not to make shiitty life choices.
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Rico
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Post by Rico on Nov 13, 2016 18:53:05 GMT
No, your politics are the politics of someone living in dreamland. If you're someone who has made shitty life choices then no, you're not as deserving as someone who has taken responsibility for themselves and works hard to provide for themselves. I wonder what enabled the billionaire Mr trump not to make shiitty life choices. I think he's made plenty of those hence his ability to have not paid any income tax for decades. Bloody free loader!
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Alan
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Nov 13, 2016 22:17:16 GMT
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Post by Alan on Nov 13, 2016 22:17:16 GMT
Obviously a lot of people are currently making shitty life choices based on a system that has destroyed their jobs and abandoned them, but I don't think thats what you mean so please explain what shitty life choices that leave an individual or family destitute in poverty render them not deserving of help. Your attitude of 'it's all someone else's fault' is exactly the problem. I'm not denying that some people are dealt a duff hand in life, that's just life, but there are plenty of people that choose to get involved in drugs or crime, that choose to have kids at a young age that they can't afford to bring up, that choose to be lazy and not get a job. Those are some of the shitty life choices I'm talking about and there is nothing fair in expecting the rest of society, who take responsibility for their actions, to foot the bill. I never said it's always someone else's fault, usually there is no individual responsible just the system. There will always be winners and losers and crooks, the crooks need to pay for their crimes but why should the losers be punished for trying. As for your nasty suggestion that the children of life's losers should be made to suffer for being born.... words fail me
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