imp566
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Post by imp566 on Aug 28, 2024 17:12:53 GMT
In danger of getting into snowflake territory here.... Unless the paddy being thrown was going through FAB's windows? Fucking hell. Not condoning it, just asking a question of FAB!
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Post by artvandelay on Aug 28, 2024 17:18:11 GMT
Thank you, apology accepted. I have been surprised by the amount of people who are unaware of its origin, despite how obvious it seems. I`m sure a lot of people (me included) were unaware of the potential for offence because so many people of Irish descent , both in times past and today , happily choose to be called Paddy. A serious question - is this because of THEIR ignorance or is it a conscious attempt to reclaim the term for themselves , in a similar way to how the historic insult `queer` has been reclaimed by the gay community? I am genuinely interested to find out. Most Irish people find being called 'Paddy', especially from an English accent, due to the historical connotations, to be grossly offensive. Some people tend to ignore it, depending on circumstance, as others do when English people feel the need to do awful Oirish accents when an Irish person joins a group. I never have and have the scars to prove it. Referring to yourselves as 'Paddys' is very different.
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Post by artvandelay on Aug 28, 2024 17:19:49 GMT
Not condoning it, just asking a question of FAB! Not condoning, doubling and possibly trebling.
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neilmc4
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Post by neilmc4 on Aug 28, 2024 17:34:29 GMT
I`m sure a lot of people (me included) were unaware of the potential for offence because so many people of Irish descent , both in times past and today , happily choose to be called Paddy. A serious question - is this because of THEIR ignorance or is it a conscious attempt to reclaim the term for themselves , in a similar way to how the historic insult `queer` has been reclaimed by the gay community? I am genuinely interested to find out. Most Irish people find being called 'Paddy', especially from an English accent, due to the historical connotations, to be grossly offensive. Some people tend to ignore it, depending on circumstance, as others do when English people feel the need to do awful Oirish accents when an Irish person joins a group. I never have and have the scars to prove it. Referring to yourselves as 'Paddys' is very different. Sorry , reading my question back I see how I didn`t make myself clear enough - I was asking about the decision by Irish people (both male and female) to choose Paddy as their preferred Christian name. Apologies for the confusion.
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Post by artvandelay on Aug 28, 2024 17:41:08 GMT
Most Irish people find being called 'Paddy', especially from an English accent, due to the historical connotations, to be grossly offensive. Some people tend to ignore it, depending on circumstance, as others do when English people feel the need to do awful Oirish accents when an Irish person joins a group. I never have and have the scars to prove it. Referring to yourselves as 'Paddys' is very different. Sorry , reading my question back I see how I didn`t make myself clear enough - I was asking about the decision by Irish people (both male and female) to choose Paddy as their preferred Christian name. Apologies for the confusion. I think it becomes Paddy outside of Ireland more. I only know a few 'Paddys', more female than male, incidentally, but a lot more 'Pats','Podges' and Paudies(from Pádraig, the Irish for Patrick) including the obligatory uncle Pat! Most of those I've met called 'Paddy' have spent a significant time abroad, usually here or America, which is presumably related to the original point. Also, the name itself isn't what's offensive, it is the dismissive and generalised use of it which is meant to be haughty and derogatory.
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neilmc4
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Post by neilmc4 on Aug 28, 2024 17:51:36 GMT
Thanks for the info. You`re never too old to learn something new.
Getting back to the original subject at least we can all agree that MacFraud is unarguably an EVANS of the highest order.
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Post by Andrewlang on Aug 28, 2024 18:57:56 GMT
"in a similar way to how the historic insult `queer` has been reclaimed by the gay community? I am genuinely interested to find out"
Fwiw him indoors hates the word 'queer'. His argument is that the people trying to reclaim it aren't the ones who were bullied in the playground for being so. To him it's a triggering word.
I get his point. I don't use the word myself, don't mind it either.
Andrew
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Post by artvandelay on Aug 28, 2024 19:11:31 GMT
"in a similar way to how the historic insult `queer` has been reclaimed by the gay community? I am genuinely interested to find out" Fwiw him indoors hates the word 'queer'. His argument is that the people trying to reclaim it aren't the ones who were bullied in the playground for being so. To him it's a triggering word. I get his point. I don't use the word myself, don't mind it either. Andrew That's understandable, but my experience of the word is that it's s now entirely positive and have only heard it used in such a way, apart from an Irish comedian using it ironically, for about twenty years. Language is funny, but vitally important and how it's used frames the society that does.
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Post by Actually Valid Username on Aug 28, 2024 20:47:39 GMT
"in a similar way to how the historic insult `queer` has been reclaimed by the gay community? I am genuinely interested to find out" Fwiw him indoors hates the word 'queer'. His argument is that the people trying to reclaim it aren't the ones who were bullied in the playground for being so. To him it's a triggering word. I get his point. I don't use the word myself, don't mind it either. Andrew I must say I love your use of Him Indoors Andrew. I feel similarly about the word making me uncomfortable, but I also think that this is the wrong feeling to have (can a feeling be wrong?). The point of reclaiming is queer isn't that hurtful word anymore. We've stolen it off those bullies, stolen it and used it to create something Beautiful and Other. It is a dangerous word - but it's our dangerous word, full of power, a word that is creative instead of destructive. Eff em
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Post by Andrewlang on Aug 28, 2024 21:03:34 GMT
Yeah, I think both points are valid tbh. I'd much rather we didn't have to go through the hassle of 'reclaiming' words because of bullies and bigots but...we do and it's been reclaimed quite successfully.
Andrew
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Post by fatherjhackett on Aug 29, 2024 0:08:43 GMT
Feck off Cromwell. Baxtad fecker in his Guntingdon arse hat.
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hersey
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Post by hersey on Aug 29, 2024 0:40:55 GMT
Thank you, apology accepted. I have been surprised by the amount of people who are unaware of its origin, despite how obvious it seems. Pleased you’re okay. I’m sure therapy is available if you relapse
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Post by cuntybollocks on Aug 29, 2024 2:56:51 GMT
Up there with "Japs Eye" as one that you'd never think of, but when you realise it's blindingly obvious, and you use 'Chap's eye' instead. What do Japanese people call that out of interest?
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pgtips (lurid)
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Aug 29, 2024 4:40:14 GMT
Yeah, I think both points are valid tbh. I'd much rather we didn't have to go through the hassle of 'reclaiming' words because of bullies and bigots but...we do and it's been reclaimed quite successfully. Andrew In this light I'm okay with being sinister. We haven't been persecuted much lately, so it is hardly the same. My mother had to go through our own (relatively lightweight) version of conversion therapy and still writes right handed.
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Post by artvandelay on Aug 29, 2024 10:57:17 GMT
Thank you, apology accepted. I have been surprised by the amount of people who are unaware of its origin, despite how obvious it seems. Pleased you’re okay. I’m sure therapy is available if you relapse Someone does a racism, albeit an unintentional one, and this is your reply? Absolute sponge.
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