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Post by undertheabbeystand on Sept 22, 2021 9:40:55 GMT
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Post by texaspete on Sept 22, 2021 10:18:33 GMT
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Post by michaelspencer on Sept 22, 2021 10:55:17 GMT
The fact that in this country we get such levels of support even so far down means that this structure is unique to England, and B teams in the EFL will never be accepted, and will never happen. If it was such a threat surely CFU and CUSP would be extremely vocal on this subject CFU backed it from day 1 despite fan opposition which is why it lost many members |
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Post by fatherjhackett on Sept 22, 2021 11:04:38 GMT
Suspect we're probably not far off having won Okedina's fee in prize money from this competition, if we haven't already. There are more dignified ways of peddling one's arse. |
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 22, 2021 11:11:09 GMT
"If it was such a threat surely CFU and CUSP would be extremely vocal on this subject"
You'd think so, yeah. I guess everybody supports United in the way they think is best. For me that's a boycott and though I'm disappointed fan groups don't agree (at least not publicly) I have to respect that their choice to attend is made with the best intentions.
I caught a bit of the game yesterday on the radio and it was interesting to hear Johnson quite openly dismiss the game as ridiculous while Not Johnson defended it.
Ultimately, I guess I don't take my cues from CFU and I don't know how much more of a threat it needs to be - it's already been proposed to restructure the football league to allow it, and we already have development teams in a professional competition. That makes the 'threat' real and undeniable...how much of a threat is up for debate but for me *any* threat is too much of a risk.
All the benefits that this competition affords us such as experimenting with tactics, the financial rewards, maintaining momentum, and giving minutes for fringe players, injured players or young players have absolutely no relation to whether or not development sides are involved. We have absolutely everything to lose and nothing to gain from playing these sides competitively.
It stings to stay away of course, and we don't stop supporting United because of the boycott so I'm absolutely delighted with the win. Lots of positives by the sounds of it with a fine KML show, Davies back on the pitch, Smith scoring again...
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Post by fatherjhackett on Sept 22, 2021 11:12:24 GMT
The average age of the crowd tonight was probably about 10.
That's how it sounded on the wireless. Two little bleeders of that age stood adjacent to me in the Corona during the Lincoln bumming. My increasingly ugly mood was amplified by their continued poking of one other & treading on my felt & wicker shoes. To top it all they perpetually tried to start the YABA chant. They appeared to be sitting next to Mark Johnson last night, for they were at it again.
Unless, of course, the nightmarish squawk of them remains in my head & I am going mad.
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Post by El Goodo on Sept 22, 2021 11:12:45 GMT
Suspect we're probably not far off having won Okedina's fee in prize money from this competition, if we haven't already. There are more dignified ways of peddling one's arse. Just an interesting thing to note. Imagine if he scored the goal that got us promoted to the Championship. |
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Post by artvandelay on Sept 22, 2021 11:46:24 GMT
This competition is not a precursor to B teams in the EFL. There would be such an outcry it would never happen, just like the European Super League. The football league is the main event. The EFL trophy however is a subsidiary competition that people are free to attend or not attend. The European Super League is already happening, just at a slightly slower pace. It would have been so much better if they had just got on with it! It was especially galling to see fans who love the English Super League take the moral high ground against it! Anyone who doesn't think that the big franchises don't want to use this as stepping-stone towards 'B teams' in the league is being naive. The only thing stopping it is a semblance of respect for tradition, something they had no problem destroying 30 years ago. |
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Post by The Abbey Stalker on Sept 22, 2021 12:40:44 GMT
This competition is not a precursor to B teams in the EFL. There would be such an outcry it would never happen, just like the European Super League. The football league is the main event. The EFL trophy however is a subsidiary competition that people are free to attend or not attend. The European Super League is already happening, just at a slightly slower pace. It would have been so much better if they had just got on with it! It was especially galling to see fans who love the English Super League take the moral high ground against it! Anyone who doesn't think that the big franchises don't want to use this as stepping-stone towards 'B teams' in the league is being naive. The only thing stopping it is a semblance of respect for tradition, something they had no problem destroying 30 years ago. What's naive is thinking that the super franchises have any respect for tradition. The whole B team boycott thing previously had some validity but that's so far from what they truly want now (and still believe they will achieve) it's merely now a distraction. Respect to those who still feel boycotting has merit but I don't believe staying away makes one iota of difference. The difference it does make is a positive one for the squad - so says Mr Bonner. |
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 22, 2021 12:54:37 GMT
"Respect to those who still feel boycotting has merit but I don't believe staying away makes one iota of difference. The difference it does make is a positive one for the squad - so says Mr Bonner"
I'm sure it does make a difference for the squad, but that seems like short term thinking for me. Long term thinking as O see it is that I want to protect the future of the 'club' when Mark Bonner and Joe Ironside are no longer a part of it.
Maybe it doesn't make a difference, but if the football league structure is ever ruined by the inclusion of development sides it won't be on me. I don't think I could live with myself if I felt I had implicitly accepted it by attending these games, especially if it's something I was opposed to but went anyway in the hope that 'it will never happen'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 13:24:03 GMT
I suppose it's about the balance between short term gains and longer term threats. Obviously we all balance things in different ways. As I posted earlier, the competition is certainly flawed and I'm not comfortable at all with the B team concept. I think because Cambridge Utd are in a pretty good place at the moment I'm happy to support anything that in turn supports the team and the wider club. Definitely take your point that the club will still be here long after Bonner has gone but I suppose I'm living 'in the moment' a little and happy to take my lead from Bonner who certainly values the competition. I don't know enough about other clubs' managers/coaches and their approaches to compare.
Either way it's a great topic for discussion on the forum!
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Post by artvandelay on Sept 22, 2021 13:25:17 GMT
The European Super League is already happening, just at a slightly slower pace. It would have been so much better if they had just got on with it! It was especially galling to see fans who love the English Super League take the moral high ground against it! Anyone who doesn't think that the big franchises don't want to use this as stepping-stone towards 'B teams' in the league is being naive. The only thing stopping it is a semblance of respect for tradition, something they had no problem destroying 30 years ago. What's naive is thinking that the super franchises have any respect for tradition. The whole B team boycott thing previously had some validity but that's so far from what they truly want now (and still believe they will achieve) it's merely now a distraction. Respect to those who still feel boycotting has merit but I don't believe staying away makes one iota of difference. The difference it does make is a positive one for the squad - so says Mr Bonner. Indeed, but they need to show a semblance of respect for it. That's the key to keeping customers on board: to pretend they are still football clubs.* You are largely correct about the boycott having any influence, I would say that, like all such boycotts, it is as much about personal integrity as anything else. Rupert Murdoch seems to have done alright despite my attempts to never give him a single penny and I can't see any McDonald's or Wetherspoons(sic) closing soon either, but I will feel better in my own little crusade! *An interesting aside, and one of the smaller of the 'death by a thousand cuts' that killed my interest in franchised football, is the constant need for everyone connected to the 'sport' to use the term 'football club' at all times. 'Club' used to be sufficient, but as the main purpose of football gets more and more disconnected from the sport, it requires everyone on the payroll to get on board with the newspeak. I noticed it around the same time as managers began shoving sponsors' names in everywhere. Coincidence? I think not! |
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Post by Fred Colon on Sept 22, 2021 13:48:01 GMT
... stars of the future like Kai Y. I hope Kai Y doesn't become a nickname or his reputation could be buggered. |
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Post by artvandelay on Sept 22, 2021 13:50:56 GMT
... stars of the future like Kai Y. I hope Kai Y doesn't become a nickname or his reputation could be buggered. It could lead to a big money move to Newcastle for him. |
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Post by fatherjhackett on Sept 22, 2021 14:11:55 GMT
source="/post/403708/thread" timestamp="1632314444"]I can't see any McDonald's or Wetherspoons(sic) closing soon either, but I will feel better in my own little crusade! OHHHH! I can feel dear old Animal turning in his grave . . . |
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