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Post by St Neots U on Jun 28, 2022 14:20:05 GMT
"If it weren't for the Pizza cup would Liam Bennett have broken into the first team and be on loan at Walsall this season? Just a thought" Nope, almost certainly probably not. Simper too actually. This competition in all its cloaks has always been excellent for that. I think it might have been one of the first times we saw Morro too actually (against Chester in 2004?). I've always valued this cup and enjoyed attending them. Hopefully we see a few more given experience in the cup this year too (Holden, Yearn, Beckett, Jobe, Akanbi, McConnell for example) None of which needs B-Teams in the competition to happen, of course. I hope they change it back to what it was, and I hope the boycott hasn't lasted so long now that it essentially becomes an indifference. I'd love for the crowds to jump back up to the mid 1000's it used to be. Andrew Last season's four home attendances were 1390, 2025, 780 and 1308 - an average of 1376 which is arguably mid 1000s. (certainly the middle third). The uncomfortable truth is that the biggest attendance was for the visit of the Premier League academy. The same is true in each of the past three years.
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Post by svh on Jun 28, 2022 14:24:06 GMT
I would imagine the Arsenal U21 game will be popular too.
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Post by texaspete on Jun 28, 2022 17:32:02 GMT
"If it weren't for the Pizza cup would Liam Bennett have broken into the first team and be on loan at Walsall this season? Just a thought" Nope, almost certainly probably not. Simper too actually. This competition in all its cloaks has always been excellent for that. I think it might have been one of the first times we saw Morro too actually (against Chester in 2004?). I've always valued this cup and enjoyed attending them. Hopefully we see a few more given experience in the cup this year too (Holden, Yearn, Beckett, Jobe, Akanbi, McConnell for example) None of which needs B-Teams in the competition to happen, of course. I hope they change it back to what it was, and I hope the boycott hasn't lasted so long now that it essentially becomes an indifference. I'd love for the crowds to jump back up to the mid 1000's it used to be. Andrew Last season's four home attendances were 1390, 2025, 780 and 1308 - an average of 1376 which is arguably mid 1000s. (certainly the middle third). The uncomfortable truth is that the biggest attendance was for the visit of the Premier League academy. The same is true in each of the past three years. Fans of the Premier League team no doubt… I’m sure we used to average far more than we do now: checking our 2001/02 LDV Vans Trophy campaign, we averaged 2,600 for our home games (lowest attendance was 1,511 against Cheltenham: uninspiring opponent, very few away fans, very cold night) [Edit: Yes that’s a long time ago but we only had one home Trophy game after our return to the Football League before the EFL ruined the competition]
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Post by rozza1 on Jun 29, 2022 0:15:53 GMT
I would always attend these games back in the day, and once again for another season I shall continue to boycott.
This competition could be used for a lot of good, but whilst it has Prem reserve teams involved it's nothing but poison.
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Post by ilovechadders on Jun 29, 2022 8:47:00 GMT
I would always attend these games back in the day, and once again for another season I shall continue to boycott. This competition could be used for a lot of good, but whilst it has Prem reserve teams involved it's nothing but poison. Totally agree. I’ve always attended these games in the past, where they have always had benefit for fringe players, so the current incarnation is nothing new. I was one of the 40+ at Exeter for the first round match when we made the final, watched that awful match against Cheltenham and many more. But whilst U21 teams are included I won’t attend.
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Post by squeeze. on Jun 29, 2022 10:36:26 GMT
Understand family and friends of these kids going but others are *fools*.
If they wanted to see the kids they can watch them in the Invitational Cup & the Youth Cup.
Edited to avoid upsetting those easily offended.
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Post by harryhabin on Jun 29, 2022 13:20:53 GMT
Understand family and friends of these kids going but others are scabs.
If they wanted to see the kids they can watch them in the Invitational Cup & the Youth Cup.
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Post by cufcfan on Jun 30, 2022 16:54:12 GMT
I feel there is still a real need to boycott this competition and I will not be attending any of the games. It is the beginning of B teams in the pyramid, that will be bad for the game and bad for CUFC.
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Post by cambsno on Jul 1, 2022 11:18:27 GMT
I feel there is still a real need to boycott this competition and I will not be attending any of the games. It is the beginning of B teams in the pyramid, that will be bad for the game and bad for CUFC. I still dont see what is so bad for the game. If you look at Germany (very well run country and FA) they have B teams playing at the 4th Tier (they have 3 professional tiers and 5 leagues at 4th tier, regional). Not saying it would be a good thing either but surely it needs properly investigating and understanding first rather than an instant dislike?
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Post by texaspete on Jul 1, 2022 12:21:11 GMT
I feel there is still a real need to boycott this competition and I will not be attending any of the games. It is the beginning of B teams in the pyramid, that will be bad for the game and bad for CUFC. I still dont see what is so bad for the game. If you look at Germany (very well run country and FA) they have B teams playing at the 4th Tier (they have 3 professional tiers and 5 leagues at 4th tier, regional). Not saying it would be a good thing either but surely it needs properly investigating and understanding first rather than an instant dislike? This site needs a dislike button. I’m not sure how a League 1 made up of Premier League reserve teams would help us? Maybe an opportunity for us to go back into non-league football again? The excitement of playing Manchester City C rather than Rochdale? Regional football like exists in those countries who allow this? It would also exacerbate the player stockpiling issues and would seem a clear route for new clubs to start off in the football league rather than the bottom of the pyramid - why not if reserve teams can join the league? Are Rangers & Celtic still keen on joining the English league?
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Post by rozza1 on Jul 1, 2022 12:39:14 GMT
I feel there is still a real need to boycott this competition and I will not be attending any of the games. It is the beginning of B teams in the pyramid, that will be bad for the game and bad for CUFC. I still dont see what is so bad for the game. If you look at Germany (very well run country and FA) they have B teams playing at the 4th Tier (they have 3 professional tiers and 5 leagues at 4th tier, regional). Not saying it would be a good thing either but surely it needs properly investigating and understanding first rather than an instant dislike? First if all it's already been investigated by countless of people with better knowledge of the English game than any of us and most of the big names calling for B teams like Guardiola or some snobbish prem director in a suit. English football has its problems but one thing it is envied for is it's depth. The English pyramid system is arguably the best league system in the world. One of the best parts about the system is the tradition and history, the fact every community big or small, from cities to even villages, have a club that represents them. Adding B Teams to competitions destroys and ruins them, and puts the clubs in potential jeopardy. It could potentially rob actual football clubs of places in cup semi finals or even a big day out at Wembley, if added to the league it potentially robs proper football clubs of places that they have earned and pushes them back down the pyramid. It belittles every football club below the Premier League, whether they have a great history like Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, or Charlton or are great community clubs like ourselves, Cheltenham, or Exeter. Furthermore it gives premier league clubs more power and as a result more money, further increasing the divide that has put the whole pyramid at risk and killed off a number of clubs and harming the communities they represented. Premier League clubs hoarding is already a problem. Think about all the young talent we've lost to Spurs and Chelsea in recent years. By introducing B Teams you are allowing and encouraging these teams to buy up more players so they can play for their reserve teams. The majority of these players will never play for the first team. We'll lose out on more Marcel Lewis's and Dion Rankine's and Elliott Thorpe's and the young keeper who we just lost to Chelsea. What would be better for these players development? Playing first team competitive football for actual clubs or rotting in a prem reserve team and occasionally getting to play a pro club in a second rate trophy? The argument by premier league clubs that they can't get football for their youngsters is ridiculous, first of all they should stop hoarding talent, secondly the loan system has been in place for years and is a success, and thirdly there's a thing called rotation!! As for B teams helping national teams. The German and Spanish national teams found success in the last decade because they put an emphasis on homegrown players and coaches and giving them opportunities at the top level. The improvement of the England National Team under Southgate is down to a well thought-out plan and program. Many of the players and coaches involved having experience at lower league football clubs!
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Post by lionel on Jul 1, 2022 23:21:07 GMT
I find myself in the position that I completely agree that enabling 'B' teams is poison. However, I still very much see the benefit for Cambridge and in many ways really value the competition.
It provides a competitive match for younger and fringe players. It throws up local matches and has good innovation by having penaties straight after 90 mins and starting at 7:00.
It's a good competition...
I am going to attend the Ipswich match....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 0:59:15 GMT
Understand family and friends of these kids going but others are scabs. If they wanted to see the kids they can watch them in the Invitational Cup & the Youth Cup. Hmm….I think using the word ‘scabs’ shows immaturity, proof of lots of drink, political illiteracy in terms of what the word really means or just stupidity. Or perhaps all four. Jeez man get a grip …it’s a conversation.
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Post by ilovechadders on Jul 2, 2022 1:23:38 GMT
I find myself in the position that I completely agree that enabling 'B' teams is poison. However, I still very much see the benefit for Cambridge and in many ways really value the competition. It provides a competitive match for younger and fringe players. It throws up local matches and has good innovation by having penaties straight after 90 mins and starting at 7:00. It's a good competition... I am going to attend the Ipswich match.... Yes it is a good competition, but it always has been - we got to the final once don’t you know, and it served its purpose of introducing fringe players etc then too. But there was no need to include Under 21 teams who apparently can only play away from home. I’m sure you will have a fun evening when we play Ipswich, but giving your blessing to the B team experiment is a step too far for me.
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Post by rozza1 on Jul 2, 2022 8:36:16 GMT
I find myself in the position that I completely agree that enabling 'B' teams is poison. However, I still very much see the benefit for Cambridge and in many ways really value the competition. It provides a competitive match for younger and fringe players. It throws up local matches and has good innovation by having penaties straight after 90 mins and starting at 7:00. It's a good competition... I am going to attend the Ipswich match.... The competition is good, or could be. It gives lower league clubs a chance of going to a Wembley final and potentially a chance of cup silverware. Now the competition has been restructured it has also made local derbies more likely. The group format can often be quite exciting. Early 7pm kick offs obviously has its positives as well. However this could all have happened without the introduction of B teams and encouraging and forwarding of the dangerous ideas created by the elites of the game. The reason the boycott started in the first place was because the EFL used attendances for some non B team games as justification for B teams and how its not scaring fans away and they are even for it. That's why it was important to boycott the Pish games in this trophy and why it's important to boycott all the games this year.
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