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Post by roberts76 on Nov 3, 2019 12:30:29 GMT
Seems it won’t be an Arsenal kids side Tuesday. Heard yesterday that Xhaka and Ozil are training with the 23s and in the squad for Tuesday. What squad for Tuesday? Do we have a behind closed doors friendly with them? Isn't the 'pretending the EFL Trophy doesn't exist' schtick getting a bit tired by now? Cambridge are playing in a competition that has long been a test bed for experimentation - there's currently an experiment with PL U23 teams going on that neither the PL sides or L1/2 sides are all that keen on and isn't going to lead to the inclusion of PL B teams in an already overcrowded football league structure except in the heads of some weird conspiracy theorists. By all means boycott the competition if you don't agree with the inclusion of U23 sides in it - but it's stupid to pretend this isn't a proper competition that the club we support - Cambridge United - are competing in. |
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Post by HelterSkelter on Nov 3, 2019 14:09:46 GMT
So you know for a fact this won't lead to B Teams then?
What makes you think this isn't the start of the next phase of experimentation? That next we introduce a league of U23 teams. Then, we allow a couple of promotion spots into the league for real, then we allow for a few more.
NO, this competition is NOT a proper competition. It became and remains the most dangerous competition in English football. It has the power to ruin competitive football for all but the elite.
This competition MUST be boycotted. We have tried making our opinion known to the clubs, they ignored us and took the money. We have made our opinions known to the FA, they have just ignored.
The only power we, as supports have, is to continue to voice our opinion and importantly, most importantly of all - not turn up to these matches.
It is all we can do.
If you fancy Cambridge Vs Everton U23's on a Saturday afternoon then fine, heads down, pretend this is an acceptable and proper competition.
If however you don't fancy this, we must continue to take the piss out of this competition, refer to it as it is in all communications and not turn up.
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Post by lynchy17 on Nov 3, 2019 14:17:03 GMT
Well said, saves me having to type 😂😂😂
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Post by bitesthedust on Nov 3, 2019 15:18:39 GMT
So you know for a fact this won't lead to B Teams then? What makes you think this isn't the start of the next phase of experimentation? That next we introduce a league of U23 teams. Then, we allow a couple of promotion spots into the league for real, then we allow for a few more. NO, this competition is NOT a proper competition. It became and remains the most dangerous competition in English football. It has the power to ruin competitive football for all but the elite. This competition MUST be boycotted. We have tried making our opinion known to the clubs, they ignored us and took the money. We have made our opinions known to the FA, they have just ignored. The only power we, as supports have, is to continue to voice our opinion and importantly, most importantly of all - not turn up to these matches. It is all we can do. If you fancy Cambridge Vs Everton U23's on a Saturday afternoon then fine, heads down, pretend this is an acceptable and proper competition. If however you don't fancy this, we must continue to take the piss out of this competition, refer to it as it is in all communications and not turn up. Exactly. The worst thing to come from this competition in its current format would be for a Premier League or Championship U23 to win it two or three years on the spin. In my view that would justify this idea to the EFL and open the floodgates for such teams to join the football league. |
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Post by russiansub on Nov 3, 2019 16:16:35 GMT
Seems it won’t be an Arsenal kids side Tuesday. Heard yesterday that Xhaka and Ozil are training with the 23s and in the squad for Tuesday. What squad for Tuesday? Do we have a behind closed doors friendly with them? Playing them in the checkatrade mate. |
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Post by rozza1 on Nov 3, 2019 19:08:07 GMT
Seems it won’t be an Arsenal kids side Tuesday. Heard yesterday that Xhaka and Ozil are training with the 23s and in the squad for Tuesday. Well if true that just highlights the ridiculousness of having B teams in the competition. Since according to the EFL B teams playing against professional first teams is supposed to help young British players develop. Not sure how playing a 27 year old Swiss international and a 31 year old German develops British players? |
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Post by roberts76 on Nov 3, 2019 19:51:07 GMT
So you know for a fact this won't lead to B Teams then? I don't know for a fact that it won't any more than you know for a fact it will There's already a league of U23 teams. It's called Premier League 2. Who are they going to promote from the Football League in to this new league that will undoubtedly sit below League 1 & 2 in the league structure? YES, it is IS. I'd argue that the Premier League essentially becoming a Big Six + the rest and the thought of those big six breaking away to form a European Super League far more dangerous than the Southampton U23's for example playing the occasional game against a fairly uninterested League Two team in front of 700 people, but that's just my opinion. I'm not sure how you're reading my thoughts and reaching the conclusion I'm a supporter of B teams in the FL, but here we are. I'm simply saying I find it very unlikely to happen due to a number of reasons I've already mentioned. It would be terrible for everyone if B teams entered the league, and I in no way support it, but this competition isn't the precursor to that. Cambridge are playing in the FL Trophy, which for the last few seasons, and possibly the next few, will include U23 teams. That makes it a proper, sanctioned competition. No-one is forcing you to attend. What were your thoughts when they allowed Conference teams in the Trophy earlier this millennium? |
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Post by laker on Nov 3, 2019 22:26:57 GMT
So you know for a fact this won't lead to B Teams then? I don't know for a fact that it won't any more than you know for a fact it will There's already a league of U23 teams. It's called Premier League 2. Who are they going to promote from the Football League in to this new league that will undoubtedly sit below League 1 & 2 in the league structure? YES, it is IS. I'd argue that the Premier League essentially becoming a Big Six + the rest and the thought of those big six breaking away to form a European Super League far more dangerous than the Southampton U23's for example playing the occasional game against a fairly uninterested League Two team in front of 700 people, but that's just my opinion. I'm not sure how you're reading my thoughts and reaching the conclusion I'm a supporter of B teams in the FL, but here we are. I'm simply saying I find it very unlikely to happen due to a number of reasons I've already mentioned. It would be terrible for everyone if B teams entered the league, and I in no way support it, but this competition isn't the precursor to that. Cambridge are playing in the FL Trophy, which for the last few seasons, and possibly the next few, will include U23 teams. That makes it a proper, sanctioned competition. No-one is forcing you to attend. What were your thoughts when they allowed Conference teams in the Trophy earlier this millennium? On the last point, the competition was opened up to the highest placed conference teams to enter - ie the highest ones qualified. That’s a hell of a difference from teams being invited in and parachuted in to this competition. It’s akin to sticking Celtic and Rangers in the Prem or Championship? They’ve not earned their right to be there so they definitely shouldn’t be. On the other points, I wouldn’t attend this if this was the only competition going. I’d watch a different sport if this is the future of football. |
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Post by Quality Signs on Nov 4, 2019 0:49:01 GMT
If this is a proper competition, why do bookings and sendings off not count? Much the same as a friendly match then.
I will be at Walsall and Carlisle but not this excuse of a competition.
#BTeamBoycott
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 4, 2019 10:06:55 GMT
I guess if you take the emotion out of it then tomorrow is a proper competition, sure, but it doesn't really seem important whether you accept that or not for me. The point of 'pretending' has been well communicated across multiple threads and many many posts.
I think this is an interesting point that has been raised before but never really picked up on "I'd argue that the Premier League essentially becoming a Big Six + the rest and the thought of those big six breaking away to form a European Super League far more dangerous than the Southampton U23's for example playing the occasional game against a fairly uninterested League Two team in front of 700 people, but that's just my opinion"
Must admit I hadn't really considered the impact it might have on Division 4 sides. What should I be worried about?
Andrew
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Post by HelterSkelter on Nov 4, 2019 12:33:09 GMT
Personally, I'd be happy to see the "big 6" bugger off and form their own league. I'd actually be very happy with the current Premier League sealing the door at the bottom and no longer allowing any promotion/relegation.
They can flip off and enjoy their wank fest, while the real football gets played in a new L1 to L3.
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Post by blockcboy on Nov 4, 2019 21:27:38 GMT
So why do we charge £10 to get in to the Abbey to watch Arsenal Kids, and the scummers are only charging £5 against us? Not that I'll be going to either. Also Walsall charging £5 for our Lg2 game in 2 weeks time. How come we never try something to boost attendances?
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 4, 2019 21:30:23 GMT
We gave out free tickets to students a couple of weeks ago.
Andrew
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Post by brucebaldrey on Nov 5, 2019 10:14:12 GMT
What squad for Tuesday? Do we have a behind closed doors friendly with them? Isn't the 'pretending the EFL Trophy doesn't exist' schtick getting a bit tired by now? Cambridge are playing in a competition that has long been a test bed for experimentation - there's currently an experiment with PL U23 teams going on that neither the PL sides or L1/2 sides are all that keen on and isn't going to lead to the inclusion of PL B teams in an already overcrowded football league structure except in the heads of some weird conspiracy theorists. By all means boycott the competition if you don't agree with the inclusion of U23 sides in it - but it's stupid to pretend this isn't a proper competition that the club we support - Cambridge United - are competing in. Isn't the being deliberately contrarian act wearing a bit thin now? |
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 5, 2019 11:01:21 GMT
Seems like a good opportunity to reminisce about the last time we played Arsenal to me.
What an occasion, eh? Am I right in remembering it as the largest away following at Highbury since the war or something?.
Andrew
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