Fred Colon
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Post by Fred Colon on Apr 26, 2024 13:27:29 GMT
My personal opinion on Lyle 'Janet' Taylor is that he should be left at home for tomorrow's game. He could be a match-winner but the recent evidence suggests he's more likely to be detrimental to our efforts.
Monk will know if his presence in the dressing room and on the subs bench has a negative effect on the rest of the team and I'm sure he'll act accordingly.
Even if Taylor scores to help us stay up, I won't hold him in high regard. He is a very talented footballer but seems to be motivated by all the wrong things.
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Post by zx10racer22 on Apr 26, 2024 14:33:29 GMT
Even if Taylor scores to help us stay up, I won't hold him in high regard. He is a very talented footballer but seems to be motivated by all the wrong things. Taylor seems to get a lot of sh*t about his personality. Any particular reason? This question isn't directed at you specifically Mr Colon, yours is one of many posts taking a similar angle. Yes, I know he walked out on Charlton. Controversial, but not without reason. He had a chance of a huge move and a big payday. Football is brutal and clubs rarely show loyalty to players beyond the word of their contract, so I can understand why a player puts themselves first too. I'd be fuming if I was a Charlton fan too, but looking at it from a position of objective neutrality, I can see why he did it. I know he also refused to kneel for BLM, which is bound to have upset some of the self-righteous who frequent this forum and who get sh*tty about anyone who holds an opinion which doesn't match their own. Anything else? The accounts I have heard from fans who have met him is that he's actually seemed like a very amiable guy one on one. Performances wise, yes, his red card against Bolton was silly and costly, and he gave away a pen on Tuesday (extremely soft pen though). He's not been great since his very good start. But if we're starting to make personal attacks based on performances then most of the squad should be cancelled.
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Post by mlb on Apr 26, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
Even if Taylor scores to help us stay up, I won't hold him in high regard. He is a very talented footballer but seems to be motivated by all the wrong things. Taylor seems to get a lot of sh*t about his personality. Any particular reason? This question isn't directed at you specifically Mr Colon, yours is one of many posts taking a similar angle. Yes, I know he walked out on Charlton. Controversial, but not without reason. He had a chance of a huge move and a big payday. Football is brutal and clubs rarely show loyalty to players beyond the word of their contract, so I can understand why a player puts themselves first too. I'd be fuming if I was a Charlton fan too, but looking at it from a position of objective neutrality, I can see why he did it. I know he also refused to kneel for BLM, which is bound to have upset some of the self-righteous who frequent this forum and who get sh*tty about anyone who holds an opinion which doesn't match their own. Anything else? The accounts I have heard from fans who have met him is that he's actually seemed like a very amiable guy one on one. Performances wise, yes, his red card against Bolton was silly and costly, and he gave away a pen on Tuesday (extremely soft pen though). He's not been great since his very good start. But if we're starting to make personal attacks based on performances then most of the squad should be cancelled. My feelings as well and I suspect probably the majority of fans. Gobby minority doesnt always represent the majority.
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Fred Colon
Reserve team substitute
Posts: 2,352
Favourite CUFC player: Shaggy Taylor
Favourite CUFC match: Maidstone 0-2 Cam Utd AET, Division 4 play-off semi, 2nd leg
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Post by Fred Colon on Apr 26, 2024 16:01:58 GMT
Even if Taylor scores to help us stay up, I won't hold him in high regard. He is a very talented footballer but seems to be motivated by all the wrong things. Taylor seems to get a lot of sh*t about his personality. Any particular reason? This question isn't directed at you specifically Mr Colon, yours is one of many posts taking a similar angle. Yes, I know he walked out on Charlton. Controversial, but not without reason. He had a chance of a huge move and a big payday. Football is brutal and clubs rarely show loyalty to players beyond the word of their contract, so I can understand why a player puts themselves first too. I'd be fuming if I was a Charlton fan too, but looking at it from a position of objective neutrality, I can see why he did it. I know he also refused to kneel for BLM, which is bound to have upset some of the self-righteous who frequent this forum and who get sh*tty about anyone who holds an opinion which doesn't match their own. Anything else? The accounts I have heard from fans who have met him is that he's actually seemed like a very amiable guy one on one. Performances wise, yes, his red card against Bolton was silly and costly, and he gave away a pen on Tuesday (extremely soft pen though). He's not been great since his very good start. But if we're starting to make personal attacks based on performances then most of the squad should be cancelled. It's things like his initial reaction to the Barnsley player who scored that own goal for us. His reaction wasn't happiness that we'd scored, it was to ridicule the Barnsley player. I hate all the 'shithousery' that some people seem to admire. I'm an old-fashioned sort that admires honourable sportsmanship. I remember watching the European excursions of British teams in the 80's as a kid and being disgusted by the diving, cheating antics of a lot of the European teams they faced and proud that our teams didn't indulge in it. Some of my animosity towards Taylor is because he's clearly a very, very good footballer but he no longer has the determination to succeed that he had under Harris. And then the stupid penalty he gave away (although ref equally at fault) in the circumstances we were in has made him a focus of that fury. Perhaps he's an easy scapegoat but one of the more deserving I've seen. Oh, and anyone who adores Margaret Thatcher that much is probably a psychopath.
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lionel
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Post by lionel on Apr 26, 2024 16:02:07 GMT
Very few people are motivated by being abused at work. Really stupid when you are wanting the person you are verbally abusing to put a shift in for you and show the quality. Equally, in most workplaces, if you told a client or customer etc to 'f-off' you would expect some repercussions. Given that we have a massive game on sat: best just to conclude that they were both in the wrong, shake hands and move on. Imagine if he'd lashed out at Iredale in a 'workplace'. Stop being ridiculous. Football is nothing like a workplace, hence Jobe can be headbutted off the ball, given concussion, and the perpetrator gets a few games off. I bet the squad can't stick Taylor. He did lash out in the workplace and had to then leave the workplace and then was banned from the workplace for three matches!
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Post by El Goodo on Apr 26, 2024 16:07:07 GMT
I don't agree with that in the workplace.
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lionel
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Post by lionel on Apr 26, 2024 16:17:03 GMT
I'm not sure this can be a serious question! Anyway, it is still, on the field of play at least, a sport, with physical contact and confrontation, also with an audience. Any sport with this will have completely different emotional responses to every other 'normal' job I can think of. A disagreement with Janet from accounts is hardly the same as taking sly kicks from a giant centre-half. You are unlikely to be booed by four thousand people for skipping your turn at making the coffee. No two jobs are the same, granted, but being paid to be a sportsperson is unique and within that professional football is unique because of what it means to so many. I think qbecause football is, for many of us at least, an escape from our own lives we feel the need to make what we do comparable when it is usually anything but. Fair enough, I don't really understand the logic but that's cool. If a teacher can keep their cool with year 9's on a friday afternoon then Lyle should be able to keep his with the fans. Equally, only a muppet is going to shout abuse at their own players in a religation fight. I am 100% behind every player who's wearing the shirt tomorrow.
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Post by artvandelay on Apr 26, 2024 16:19:04 GMT
Funny, I made a comment before the game the other day that Taylor get away with swanning about the pitch and a silly red card because he keeps the Talksport listening element happy. I can't imagine any other player would still be defended after giving away the most needless of penalties. I can only imagine the outcry if just about another player did it and then told the fans flip off.
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lionel
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Post by lionel on Apr 26, 2024 16:20:30 GMT
I don't agree with that in the workplace. As long as Garry is not having to do his own stapling we have a good chance of survival.
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danboyb
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Post by danboyb on Apr 26, 2024 16:29:37 GMT
I forget which team/Goalie it was, but Taylor kicking/ Kneeing him (can’t fully remember) was when I started to have doubts about him. The GK made a meal of it but it was a totally unnecessary act from Taylor.
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danielcufc
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Post by danielcufc on Apr 26, 2024 16:44:11 GMT
After all that's gone on this week (and this crazy season) imagine if he is the player who scores the goal that keeps us up?
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Post by cufcdenmark on Apr 26, 2024 17:15:00 GMT
Think a lot of the frustration stems from the fact that he has seemed very disinterested since Harris left. The stupid red card, the lack of effort, and then the penalty when we were 10 minutes from safety.
Could be interesting on here tomorrow if Monk puts him on the field and he pulls another stunt like that, especially if we end up getting relegated.
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malotru
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Post by malotru on Apr 26, 2024 17:17:01 GMT
With Brophy adding some injury time gloss on the break. Some of our fans would spontaneously combust 🔥
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Post by milesfenton on Apr 26, 2024 17:18:37 GMT
With Brophy adding some injury time gloss on the break. Some of our fans would spontaneously combust 🔥 I really thought Brophy was going to try the ultimate bluff and to slot that late free kick under the wall into the bottom corner. Not to be...
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Post by El Goodo on Apr 26, 2024 18:18:52 GMT
There is quite an irony in the fact that Taylor is the type of player that for years many people ask why we don't sign when teams like, for instance, Wycombe are happy to pick them up. We're seeing exactly why there's been such an emphasis on players' character in our recruitment strategy over the past few years.
For better or worse (well, probably better in this particular case) we wouldn't have signed Taylor in a million years under Bonner.
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