hhabbin
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Post by hhabbin on Sept 18, 2023 5:31:44 GMT
The club are canvassing further opinion, and I'm sure that most people who are on this board will be out in full force voting against the suggested new badge.
It will be interesting to see who and how many they canvass and what sort of response they get.
In a General Election in this country about 30% of people don't even bother to vote. Of the 70% who do a good number of them hold no firm views, are floating voters, they do it out of duty, because their parents did etc.
A very small number hold entrenched positions, and it is this group we hear the loudest and most from.
I was around in 1986 when the present badge was adopted. I don't remember there being a reaction from the fan base, it just happened. The same will happen this time around because, in my opinion, the vast majority of supporters hold no firm views. It's just change, like a new season shirt design.
Just in case you are interested. I am on record as saying I like the existing badge, it's a unique shape and distinctive. The new one, I don't love I don't hate it it's just a bit meh. It's certainly not an improvement on what we presently have.
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Post by vpclub on Sept 18, 2023 7:17:27 GMT
I agree.
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Post by rayhertford on Sept 18, 2023 8:46:09 GMT
The new badge looks awful. Keep the existing one.
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Andrewlang
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 18, 2023 11:56:46 GMT
"I was around in 1986 when the present badge was adopted. I don't remember there being a reaction from the fan base, it just happened. The same will happen this time around because, in my opinion, the vast majority of supporters hold no firm views. It's just change, like a new eason shirt design"
The badge has been around for almost 40 years - a generation - it's very clearly not like a changing a shirt each season...which is why the club are handling it with much more sensitivity.
1986 was also a very different time. I don't know if I believe we can use what happened 36 years ago after no consultation with the fans or request for feedback as an example for what's going to happen with a very different approach in a very very different world. We have CUSP, CFU, the message board, Facebook and Abbey Aces all largely against adopting this proposal so I'd tend to think that'll be broadly representative of the (so far) silent fanbase. A neutral view doesn't add weight to either the yes or no argument.
What I hope happens is that this proposal is rejected and from the feedback comes a much better, bolder and lasting idea. It's not enough to make do.
Andrew
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Post by cufctheparrot on Sept 18, 2023 13:04:26 GMT
The club are canvassing further opinion, and I'm sure that most people who are on this board will be out in full force voting against the suggested new badge. It will be interesting to see who and how many they canvass and what sort of response they get. In a General Election in this country about 30% of people don't even bother to vote. Of the 70% who do a good number of them hold no firm views, are floating voters, they do it out of duty, because their parents did etc. A very small number hold entrenched positions, and it is this group we hear the loudest and most from. I was around in 1986 when the present badge was adopted. I don't remember there being a reaction from the fan base, it just happened. The same will happen this time around because, in my opinion, the vast majority of supporters hold no firm views. It's just change, like a new season shirt design. Just in case you are interested. I am on record as saying I like the existing badge, it's a unique shape and distinctive. The new one, I don't love I don't hate it it's just a bit meh. It's certainly not an improvement on what we presently have. Can you really compare 1986 with now. 1 There was no internet so very little interaction between club and fans on these kind of things. 2 The previous badge was regarded by many as one of the worst club badges, not just that Cambridge United have had but by any football league club. Probably explains why it only lasted for 8 years, whereas are improved but not great current badge has lasted 37 years. |
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rozza1
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Post by rozza1 on Sept 18, 2023 13:10:45 GMT
Instead of a survey why not a straight vote, between a proposed new badge, the current badge, and an older version such as the one we had on our anniversary shirt a couple years ago?
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Sept 18, 2023 13:17:20 GMT
Instead of a survey why not a straight vote, between a proposed new badge, the current badge, and an older version such as the one we had on our anniversary shirt a couple years ago? I don't see the need to rush, they should workshop the best possible alternative and then put it to a vote. Will be disappointed if they just do a straight shootout (where the current should win) and then take that as there being no appetite for change. |
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Post by smartspud on Sept 18, 2023 13:22:38 GMT
Some people vote because people died, literally to get us the vote, years ago. So yes we should vote for that reason. Obviously I'm talking parliamentary here not club badge, but the principle still applies if you care..... vote!
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Post by hoolaohanrahanrahan on Sept 18, 2023 14:46:19 GMT
Some people vote because people died, literally to get us the vote, years ago. So yes we should vote for that reason. Obviously I'm talking parliamentary here not club badge, but the principle still applies if you care..... vote! Sooty died for us to get the vote as Cambridge fans. |
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Post by ChrisVessey on Sept 18, 2023 15:34:44 GMT
Instead of a survey why not a straight vote, between a proposed new badge, the current badge, and an older version such as the one we had on our anniversary shirt a couple years ago? Because the CEO knows he won't get the answer he wants. |
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Post by barry on Sept 18, 2023 17:51:39 GMT
Instead of a survey why not a straight vote, between a proposed new badge, the current badge, and an older version such as the one we had on our anniversary shirt a couple years ago? Because the CEO knows he won't get the answer he wants. Exactly this. He turned a majority who wanted the current badge to remain into a majority who wanted change. Won’t be trusted again if he isn’t careful. |
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Post by nickpom on Sept 18, 2023 19:35:18 GMT
Because the CEO knows he won't get the answer he wants. Exactly this. He turned a majority who wanted the current badge to remain into a majority who wanted change. Won’t be trusted again if he isn’t careful. Why on earth would Alex Tunbridge try to manipulate a vote on the club badge? Do you not think that he has better things to do? By all means criticise the design, it’s clearly not popular and requires a rethink, but let’s not disappear up our own backsides on the basis of some conspiratorial thesis… |
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Post by barry on Sept 18, 2023 20:16:17 GMT
Exactly this. He turned a majority who wanted the current badge to remain into a majority who wanted change. Won’t be trusted again if he isn’t careful. Why on earth would Alex Tunbridge try to manipulate a vote on the club badge? Do you not think that he has better things to do? By all means criticise the design, it’s clearly not popular and requires a rethink, but let’s not disappear up our own backsides on the basis of some conspiratorial thesis… That's quite a statement and its hardly a conspiracy that 53% of people voted for the existing badge, which is a majority, because that figure is in the public domain. I don't get why he is so keen to change it either, so perhaps he had better just get on with the better things as you suggest. |
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Post by andycufc on Sept 18, 2023 20:59:10 GMT
Why on earth would Alex Tunbridge try to manipulate a vote on the club badge? Do you not think that he has better things to do? By all means criticise the design, it’s clearly not popular and requires a rethink, but let’s not disappear up our own backsides on the basis of some conspiratorial thesis… That's quite a statement and its hardly a conspiracy that 53% of people voted for the existing badge, which is a majority, because that figure is in the public domain. I don't get why he is so keen to change it either, so perhaps he had better just get on with the better things as you suggest. 53% said they ‘liked’ the existing badge… they weren’t voting for it. In fact, “64% of respondents answered, ‘Yes’ to ‘Would you be open to exploring the possibility of a crest redesign?’, with 16% non-committal and 20% answering ‘No’.” I don’t think there’s anything sinister about the way the process has been carried out - the issue is that the proposed design seems to be really unpopular. Hopefully the club will take this on board and listen to all the feedback it is being given. Personally I think presenting the fanbase with a series of options to vote on would have been a constructive way forward… |
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Post by rozza1 on Sept 18, 2023 22:04:44 GMT
53% said they ‘liked’ the existing badge… they weren’t voting for it. In fact, “64% of respondents answered, ‘Yes’ to ‘Would you be open to exploring the possibility of a crest redesign?’, with 16% non-committal and 20% answering ‘No’.” I don’t think there’s anything sinister about the way the process has been carried out - the issue is that the proposed design seems to be really unpopular. Hopefully the club will take this on board and listen to all the feedback it is being given. Personally I think presenting the fanbase with a series of options to vote on would have been a constructive way forward… I think my issue isn't the process it's the motivation behind it, like others have expressed I find it very unsettling that the club would change something as important and present as the badge for some corporate sponsors. I feel like it goes against our ethos as a club and a community. The idea that there might be an outside influence behind this does feel quite sinister in a way. I was one of the people who answered that they were open to change, though throughout this I've heavily sided towards keeping the current badge but was willing to see what they'd come up with. I'm now even more in favour of keeping with the current one or possibly reverting back to a previous version. I'm hoping after this next survey the club will put it to a direct supporters vote and listen to the result. If there isn't a vote and they go ahead with the change then there's going to be a very angry response from a large section of support. |
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