Sandypants
Reserve team star
Posts: 4,060
Favourite CUFC player: Harrison Dunk
|
Post by Sandypants on Nov 11, 2023 16:54:06 GMT
I went with the tongue in cheek option of keeping him indefinitely.
I can't fault anyone their feelings after that shitshow, but I'll leave any manager talk until after I've calmed down
|
|
|
Post by flouncingarburyboy on Nov 11, 2023 17:06:48 GMT
I went with the tongue in cheek option of keeping him indefinitely. I can't fault anyone their feelings after that shitshow, but I'll leave any manager talk until after I've calmed down I did wonder where those 5 votes for option 6 were coming from.
|
|
|
Post by milesfenton on Nov 11, 2023 17:08:04 GMT
Of course today is embarrassing and people will feel angry, but if you want Bonner out now I think that's massively over-reacting to a single result. Yes we have issues beyond today, but a club our size is always going to have them. We're in the midtable pack, which is progress from last year and a good position to be in.
Voter for only if we get relegated.
|
|
|
Post by Andrewlang on Nov 11, 2023 17:16:04 GMT
"I admire and like MB as a person but eventually something has to give. Either he has to adapt and become more positive or we stumble along as we are. I hoped after last season this would in terms of enjoyment would be different. Instead I fear another winter of discontent. I hoped that Betsy’s appointment may have made a difference but it’s the same formation & tactics"
Yeah, I've mentioned our attacking play isn't good enough so I don't disagree with the need to develop, I just like to separate the emotion from it a bit sometimes and be a bit more balanced.
The season could be better, it could be worse. It's probably roughly about where I'd expect and accept it right now...minus a couple of points I guess.
Andrew
|
|
|
Post by Andrewlang on Nov 11, 2023 17:19:48 GMT
"I did wonder where those 5 votes for option 6 were coming from"
Yeah, that got my vote too 😊
It's a bit too emotional to have a vote straight after a 5-0 gubbing against your rivals, I think.
I'd be interested in seeing the results of a vote on January 1st though.
Andrew
|
|
MartinL
Reserve team star
Posts: 4,045
|
Post by MartinL on Nov 11, 2023 17:31:46 GMT
Of course today is embarrassing and people will feel angry, but if you want Bonner out now I think that's massively over-reacting to a single result. Yes we have issues beyond today, but a club our size is always going to have them. We're in the midtable pack, which is progress from last year and a good position to be in. Voter for only if we get relegated. We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is!
|
|
|
Post by milesfenton on Nov 11, 2023 17:47:13 GMT
Of course today is embarrassing and people will feel angry, but if you want Bonner out now I think that's massively over-reacting to a single result. Yes we have issues beyond today, but a club our size is always going to have them. We're in the midtable pack, which is progress from last year and a good position to be in. Voter for only if we get relegated. We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is! And of we get 3 points in our next 3 games we'll be exactly level with that stage last season, there's very little in it either way if that's how you're measuring it.
|
|
Denton
Reserve team substitute
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Denton on Nov 11, 2023 17:48:18 GMT
I'm not Bonner out, it'd be silly to do it now even after that defeat. It's a very reactionary response to a mauling
The reality is we have 7 games between now and the Janurary transfer window: Northampton (a) Lincoln (h) Charlton (a) Blackpool (h) Exeter (h) Oxford (a) Stevenage (a)
I would say 2 of those are winnable, maybe 2 drawable and the rest losses. If we can't achieve that then i'll probably be Bonner out at that point. But if anyone's earnt that chance it's him
We have to do something different and we need to be putting in convincing performances
|
|
lesj
Reserve team substitute
Posts: 2,590
|
Post by lesj on Nov 11, 2023 17:52:23 GMT
Of course today is embarrassing and people will feel angry, but if you want Bonner out now I think that's massively over-reacting to a single result. Yes we have issues beyond today, but a club our size is always going to have them. We're in the midtable pack, which is progress from last year and a good position to be in. Voter for only if we get relegated. We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is! Get more goals than the opposition . To get some would be an improvement
|
|
MartinL
Reserve team star
Posts: 4,045
|
Post by MartinL on Nov 11, 2023 17:53:55 GMT
We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is! And of we get 3 points in our next 3 games we'll be exactly level with that stage last season, there's very little in it either way if that's how you're measuring it. However we measure it, it’s quite obvious that we aren’t progressing on the pitch.
|
|
|
Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Nov 11, 2023 17:58:59 GMT
Of course today is embarrassing and people will feel angry, but if you want Bonner out now I think that's massively over-reacting to a single result. Yes we have issues beyond today, but a club our size is always going to have them. We're in the midtable pack, which is progress from last year and a good position to be in. Voter for only if we get relegated. We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is! The issue with last season wasn't the start or the end but the middle part of the season. I'm not that bothered about being slightly behind as long as we don't have a repeat of the winter. If we are behind the points in January/February then I'll be worried!
|
|
|
Post by hoolaohanrahanrahan on Nov 11, 2023 18:01:05 GMT
It's hard to separate the emotion from the cold hard realities, but if we'd gone to Bolton or Barnsley and lost like we did today it'd be a different discussion. Still a disappointed despontant one, but a different one.
Are there broader reasons to be concerned? Absolutely. Does the baby need double bagging and chucked int green bin an' all? Probably not.
There are questions and I'm sure Bonner is desperate to answer them, and I'm sure we can, and should, all sink a few and get ourselves over today, but nothing is yet terminal, and there are fixtures to come back and attack in the near future.
Boro are still twats, and the worst kind because they can actually play a bit. flip em.
|
|
|
Post by joeaustin on Nov 11, 2023 18:11:29 GMT
I'm not Bonner out, it'd be silly to do it now even after that defeat. It's a very reactionary response to a mauling The reality is we have 7 games between now and the Janurary transfer window: Northampton (a) Lincoln (h) Charlton (a) Blackpool (h) Exeter (h) Oxford (a) Stevenage (a) I would say 2 of those are winnable, maybe 2 drawable and the rest losses. If we can't achieve that then i'll probably be Bonner out at that point. But if anyone's earnt that chance it's him We have to do something different and we need to be putting in convincing performances All the home games should be winnable, as should Northampton away, quite something we’re throwing Stevenage away as a loss before it’s started. Oxford away fine, but even that is on the lottery of Boxing Day.
|
|
laker
Youth team star
Posts: 1,594
|
Post by laker on Nov 12, 2023 8:25:34 GMT
I’ve been pro Bonner all the way through but the run we’re on (after the same for much of last season), the nature of our performances this season and the unacceptable score yesterday mean I’m now in the “out” camp. I think Bonner’s tactics are too negative, a change in manager is needed to improve our style and hopefully results. That would establish us properly as a League 1 club. Being so defensive won’t, in my opinion.
I’d also like to say that reaching this point pains me as I have loved having Mark Bonner in charge of us. I will always cherish the lockdown promotion, that first season in League 1 and the great escape last term. I also don’t forget where we were before he took over and I appreciate the fantastic progress we’ve made under his management. But we’re now stuck and actually going backwards. A change is needed.
|
|
nickpom
Reserve team regular
Posts: 3,161
|
Post by nickpom on Nov 12, 2023 8:48:21 GMT
Of course today is embarrassing and people will feel angry, but if you want Bonner out now I think that's massively over-reacting to a single result. Yes we have issues beyond today, but a club our size is always going to have them. We're in the midtable pack, which is progress from last year and a good position to be in. Voter for only if we get relegated. We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is! Wrong - last season we had 19 points after seventeen games (the seventeenth game also being Peterborough away) 6 wins, 1 draw, 10 defeats. GD was -11. This season we have 20 points after 5 wins, 5 draws and 7 defeats. GD is -7. There were eight teams strongly favoured by both bookies and pundits to be fighting relegation - of those eight only Stevenage are above us; the other six make up six of the bottom seven: Cheltenham, Carlisle, Northampton, Exeter, Fleetwood and Shrewsbury. Although the gap behind the really big teams has closed a bit, we still have the fourth or fifth smallest budget in this division. We are not in the bottom four or five. Yesterday's performance was woeful, it was unacceptable. We need to see a genuine, positive reaction to that from the manager and players. Fans are justifiably pissed off after that game. However by any objective measure we are continuing to overperform under Mark Bonner. People need to get a grip...
|
|