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Post by unclemike78 on Nov 12, 2023 14:19:40 GMT
I was there yesterday and I'm just as embarrassed and annoyed as the rest of you. However, I don't think polls like this are very constructive plus the fact as mentioned we all know Bonner isn't getting sacked.
I for one love Bonner. Is he the best manager we could have, possibly not. Is he naive tactically, also possible. However, he is a good man manager and most importantly for me, a decent human being. I've mentioned before how I don't do social media apart from this forum. The reason being is that you guys on here are for the most part really decent humans and on a variety of subjects you have shown yourselves to have a good compassionate and progressive attitudes towards subjects. I think Bonner therefore is very representative of this attitude. In his interviews he is eloquent and intelligent. Would I sacrifice this and get in a Steve Evans, Joey Barton or Darren Ferguson just to win football matches....hell no! As much as I love our club and want us to do well, some things are more important than football.
In addition, if Bonner was to go, who is chomping at the bit to come and manage Cambridge United. If there is a manager, are they any good?
I hope that Mark can improve his tactical thinking. I hope as others have mentioned we can look at some different formations like 3-5-2 or 5-4-1, which I really believe would suit us better and stop our full backs being so exposed. But whatever happens I will be there cheering my team on.
I was really proud to be a Cambridge United fan yesterday, because on 28 minutes we showed what a class act we were. It actually made me quite emotional.
Anyway, I didn't vote but I think you can guess what it would be if I did!
Up the U's!
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Post by vanni on Nov 12, 2023 14:23:04 GMT
I went with 'if things don't improve by December'. Denton posted the 7 games we have till the end the year and I agree that we should be looking at two wins and perhaps a couple of draws out of that run of games. If we fail to grab those 8 points out of a not too unkind run of games then Bonner has to go. Thing is I don't have faith things will change so I might as well have gone with Bonner out now.
If the BOD's were to get rid of Bonner and that's a very big if then IMO it would be futile to give him the January transfer window. He knew what we were missing back in the summer and truth be told I've not been impressed by a good number of his new signings. It's not that they're poor players it's just that they're not a good fit for the way Bonner sets the side up. Just look at how many times the other teams target both our flanks because they know that's where we're the most vulnerable. Bonner knows this too but he chose to overlook it as the players he signed are more attack minded and they don't give enough support to Lennett and Andrew.
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Post by El Goodo on Nov 12, 2023 14:24:03 GMT
In addition, if Bonner was to go, who is chomping at the bit to come and manage Cambridge United. If there is a manager, are they any good? This is something that often gets said when discussion like this come up & is just complete & utter nonsense. There would be scores of applicants who would absolutely love the job. Let's not kid ourselves that being a manager of a club in L1, even a relatively small one with a small budget and relatively austere ambitions, is not a hugely attractive prospect.
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Post by martinjohn on Nov 12, 2023 14:30:56 GMT
However, he is a good man manager and most importantly for me, a decent human being. I've mentioned before how I don't do social media apart from this forum. The reason being is that you guys on here are for the most part really decent humans and on a variety of subjects you have shown yourselves to have a good compassionate and progressive attitudes towards subjects. I think Bonner therefore is very representative of this attitude. In his interviews he is eloquent and intelligent. Would I sacrifice this and get in a Steve Evans, Joey Barton or Darren Ferguson just to win football matches....hell no! As much as I love our club and want us to do well, some things are more important than football Up the U's! I agree. This is why I wished the John Beck era never happened and the Richard Money era. I'd rather have nice managers rather than good ones.
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 12, 2023 14:31:31 GMT
Yeah, there are loads of applicants even for the least appealing job like, say, Colchester.
One or two we could probably tap up too maybe...Kevin Maher at Southend seems to be doing an excellent job with a basket case. Dean Brennan is doing stuff with Barnet. Even the league below, like Pete Wild always seems to get a mention on here. Barrow being sixth in a league of wealthy clubs seems like an achievement.
Andrew
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Post by unclemike78 on Nov 12, 2023 14:37:55 GMT
In addition, if Bonner was to go, who is chomping at the bit to come and manage Cambridge United. If there is a manager, are they any good? This is something that often gets said when discussion like this come up & is just complete & utter nonsense. There would be scores of applicants who would absolutely love the job. Let's not kid ourselves that being a manager of a club in L1, even a relatively small one with a small budget and relatively ungrand ambitions, is not a hugely attractive prospect. Well, I'm happy to bow down to your superior knowledge (you guys do know more than me) and I guess if Bonner were to go we would find out. However, he's not going and I stand by all the rest I said.
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Post by El Goodo on Nov 12, 2023 14:43:13 GMT
Even the league below, like Pete Wild always seems to get a mention on here. Andrew I think exclusively by me, to be fair haha.
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 12, 2023 14:50:21 GMT
I like Pete Wild and'd be happy to have him here if we sacked Bonner. He'd be more of a Bonntinuation than a revolution though I think. He's an organised off the ball type coach rather than an attacking coach, as far as I can tell.
Andrew
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Post by zx10racer22 on Nov 12, 2023 14:54:44 GMT
We have 2 less points than the same stage last season- that isn’t progress. I haven’t voted yet as I’m unsure as to what my opinion is at the moment. Certainly not out at the moment but as I said in another post, this season is going the same way as last season. Something needs to change but I’m buggered if I know what that change is! Wrong - last season we had 19 points after seventeen games (the seventeenth game also being Peterborough away) 6 wins, 1 draw, 10 defeats. GD was -11. This season we have 20 points after 5 wins, 5 draws and 7 defeats. GD is -7. There were eight teams strongly favoured by both bookies and pundits to be fighting relegation - of those eight only Stevenage are above us; the other six make up six of the bottom seven: Cheltenham, Carlisle, Northampton, Exeter, Fleetwood and Shrewsbury. Although the gap behind the really big teams has closed a bit, we still have the fourth or fifth smallest budget in this division. We are not in the bottom four or five. Yesterday's performance was woeful, it was unacceptable. We need to see a genuine, positive reaction to that from the manager and players. Fans are justifiably pissed off after that game. However by any objective measure we are continuing to overperform under Mark Bonner. People need to get a grip... Totally agree with Nick. Just to highlight to everyone, we went into yesterday's game in a higher league position than we have finished since 1994. Yesterday was a disaster, but the big picture is still pretty decent. Does no one remember the really bad times? It wasn't losing 5-0 at Posh, it was losing 5-0 at f**king Histon. Imagine if, on the day Calderwood was sacked, someone had said "under his replacement you will secure your league status with four straight wins, win promotion the next season, win away at Newcastle in the FA Cup and stay up the season after, beat Boro in the league and pull off a miracle great escape the season after that, then sit 15th in League One in November 2023, but the price is a mauling at London Road".... I think we'd all have taken that? If anyone thinks Cambridge United should be freescoring and blowing teams away in this division... I'm sorry, but you're deluded. This division is hard and we're a small club here. Disappointed and angry about yesterday? Yes, understandable. Calling for the manager to be sacked? A huge overreaction.
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Post by whiteswan on Nov 12, 2023 15:01:40 GMT
‘If anyone thinks Cambridge United should be freescoring and blowing teams away in this division... I'm sorry, but you're deluded. This division is hard and we're a small club here’.
I don’t think anyone has said anything about free scoring and blowing teams away.
Most people want a more positive approach. Other teams have taken points off Pish this year. Salford nearly beat them at London Road last week.
I don’t think its unreasonable to expect a better standard than yesterday (and what we’ve seen for large parts of the season).
And people calling for Bonner to go isn’t solely based on yesterday’s shlt show. You must recognise that?
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 12, 2023 15:05:34 GMT
Yeah, we're on the right track, baby.
That doesn't mean our attacking play is brilliant, there's still a disconnect in phases of our play that needs addressing, there's still improvements and enhancements that can be made in areas of our play, it just means we're doing broadly 'fine' and slowly, frustratingly, inconsistently and at times boringly, establishing ourselves in league 1.
Andrew
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Post by milesfenton on Nov 12, 2023 15:07:45 GMT
I went with 'if things don't improve by December'. Denton posted the 7 games we have till the end the year and I agree that we should be looking at two wins and perhaps a couple of draws out of that run of games. If we fail to grab those 8 points out of a not too unkind run of games then Bonner has to go. Thing is I don't have faith things will change so I might as well have gone with Bonner out now. I find this sort of post quite interesting, because what you're hoping to see makes sense. You're asking for 8 points from the next 7 games, which would be 1.14 points per game. So far this season we have 1.18 points per game though, so we're already performing at the level you're looking for, just doing it in alternating good and bad extremes.
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Post by Denton on Nov 12, 2023 15:15:42 GMT
I went with 'if things don't improve by December'. Denton posted the 7 games we have till the end the year and I agree that we should be looking at two wins and perhaps a couple of draws out of that run of games. If we fail to grab those 8 points out of a not too unkind run of games then Bonner has to go. Thing is I don't have faith things will change so I might as well have gone with Bonner out now. I find this sort of post quite interesting, because what you're hoping to see makes sense. You're asking for 8 points from the next 7 games, which would be 1.14 points per game. So far this season we have 1.18 points per game though, so we're already performing at the level you're looking for, just doing it in alternating good and bad extremes. Perfect, so if we get the results. We perform well enough to keep our heads above water Anything worse and we likely drop into the drop zone and are having to fight against the tide That's about what id expect to be the case
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Post by lesj on Nov 12, 2023 15:16:07 GMT
We survived last season by the skin of our teeth. mainly by a person that knew how to score goals.
OK, I know it helps if the striker gets good service, but at the moment I can't see any body doing the same this season
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Post by El Goodo on Nov 12, 2023 15:16:20 GMT
I can't remember if I wrote this on here before or not but I think our next step needs to be to make our inconsistency consistent. A bottom-half team in any division is by its very nature going to have mixed results & that's no problem. What we need to iron out is our consistent runs only being bad ones. If we can take the step so that we're never going more than 3, 4 or 5 games (at most) without a win, that would see us right as establishing ourselves as a mid-table team. Tightening up at the back and being able to get draws, which with some wobbles here & there IS something we've achieved so far this season, but that's only half of it. You don't win games if you can't score.
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