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Post by artvandelay on Nov 12, 2023 12:28:08 GMT
I don't get the poppy thing, especially at football, in fact I think it's quite disrespectful to think football is that important in the first place. I guess it's because I'm not British,but then it wasn't a British thing until a good fifty years after the last World War!. Poppy’s have been sold since 1921 by the Royal British Legion, and I remember when I was in the cub scouts in the 1970’s marching in the parade on remembrance Sunday, and having to bring a poppy to pack meetings in early November, along with my handkerchief, 2p and 5p pieces for emergency phone calls. I'm well aware of the history of the poppy, even if I disagree with it, especially since it has become jingoistic in itself. My point was specifically aimed at its bizarre use in football.
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Post by fblock on Nov 12, 2023 12:39:17 GMT
If we have to put up with that racist knee-taking crap the least we can do is respect the people who made the ultimate sacrifice once a year
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Post by hoolaohanrahanrahan on Nov 12, 2023 12:48:31 GMT
If we have to put up with that racist knee-taking crap the least we can do is respect the people who made the ultimate sacrifice once a year You mean the anti-racist taking the knee, as opposed to the actual racist poppy bullshit? Jesus wept.
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 12, 2023 12:49:13 GMT
Oh...it's not racist though.
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Post by hoolaohanrahanrahan on Nov 12, 2023 12:50:29 GMT
Oh...it's not racist though. Andrew Still the biggest event in the racist calendar though.
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 12, 2023 13:10:08 GMT
Yeah, though I was responding to the 'racist knee taking crap'.
I don't really think remembrance day is racist, but I do think a lot of racists get very loud at this time of year.
Anyway, I usually think about my grandad at this point. He never talked about the war except to snap at my nephew when he was playing a war game - "war isn't fun" he said. It's the only time he mentioned it, even to my mum.
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Post by imp566 on Nov 12, 2023 13:23:29 GMT
Yeah, since the 40's according to a very brief Google yesterday. I guess a dusty old bloke in a top hat is as precious to them as Coconuts is to us but to me it's comfortably the weirdest mascot in football. Andrew I dunno, Pompey's 'Bell Man' also qualifies for that award in a roundabout way!
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Post by Andrewlang on Nov 12, 2023 13:26:45 GMT
Hah, yeah a self appointed mascot is probably weirder, yeah.
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Post by Mark Peters’ Bonce of Power on Nov 12, 2023 13:37:06 GMT
I guess it depends if a lack of a poppy means a lack of respect. I choose not to wear a poppy, however, I fully appreciate and respect what people before me gave for me to be able to make that choice. I don’t wear one either, nor do I have any issue with anyone that does. I take my cue on these things from my late Grandfather, who served in North Africa, was on the first fleet into Sicily and saw action all the way through to VE day. He never wore a poppy, or attended remembrance day services and the like. He wasn’t proud of his medals, or the things he’d had to see or do to get them. He told me when I was no older than 10, that the thing he wanted most for future generations, was that none of us would have to go through what he and his fellow servicemen did. None of that means that neither he nor I don’t respect the sacrifices made, or the significance of why those sacrifices were made. I just prefer to take my lead from someone who was actually there, rather than subsequent generations who have fetishised the poppy and turned it, the act of remembrance in itself and the obsession with and glorification of WWII in particular into a quasi-religious thing.
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Post by hoolaohanrahanrahan on Nov 12, 2023 13:42:48 GMT
Yeah, though I was responding to the 'racist knee taking crap'. I don't really think remembrance day is racist, but I do think a lot of racists get very loud at this time of Andrew Quite, it's like Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but all the racists voted for Brexit.
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Post by MartinL on Nov 12, 2023 14:02:13 GMT
Yeah, though I was responding to the 'racist knee taking crap'. I don't really think remembrance day is racist, but I do think a lot of racists get very loud at this time of Andrew Quite, it's like Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but all the racists voted for Brexit. Reminds me of Stewart Lee- “it wasn’t just racists that voted leave- c***s did as well”
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Post by cufctheparrot on Nov 12, 2023 14:33:47 GMT
Yeah, though I was responding to the 'racist knee taking crap'. I don't really think remembrance day is racist, but I do think a lot of racists get very loud at this time of Andrew Quite, it's like Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but all the racists voted for Brexit. That’s quite an acknowledgment, it’s only taken about 6 years for most on the left to realise.
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Post by squeeze. on Nov 12, 2023 14:43:15 GMT
To be fair it’s been silence heavy because of the Middle East, then Bobby Charlton & now Armistice.
Clubs should do it at their closest home game to the Remembrance Weekend. That does mean some fans will have it twice in a row. That’s not an issue.
I sell Poppies for the RBL. I love it. It’s a very small way of helping out once a year.
The issue is when people become put upon for not wearing them or not being respecty. It’s nonsense.
It’s a choice. A choice to wear one, a choice to support. A choice to show support.
Similarly, you can choose not to wear one. Choose to wear a white one. Give money but not buy one. That’s fine.
But please, please don’t say that folk who don’t wear them don’t support (that might be the case but it’s upto them) and please don’t tell people they should wear one.
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Post by malotru on Nov 12, 2023 16:46:30 GMT
Hah, yeah a self appointed mascot is probably weirder, yeah. Andrew Exeter used to have the Grecian Goddess as their mascot who was a young lady walking around in a sort of toga outfit. May have been popular with some of the players. And Hereford used to bring out the massive cow. I like mascots being real living things instead of foam costumes
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Post by cufctheparrot on Nov 12, 2023 17:55:44 GMT
Hah, yeah a self appointed mascot is probably weirder, yeah. Andrew Exeter used to have the Grecian Goddess as their mascot who was a young lady walking around in a sort of toga outfit. May have been popular with some of the players. And Hereford used to bring out the massive cow. I like mascots being real living things instead of foam costumes Can’t see bringing on live animals as a mascot before a match being accepted anymore. On a similar note can anyone remember a few years after we seemed to adopt the moose as a mascot, I think it was an evening match, we had a real moose walk around the pitch to help raise money for something moose related, may have been a local zoo or something. Can’t really remember much about it, but I’m sure I didn’t imagine it, I guess it would have been around mid 1990s.
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