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Post by martinjohn on Feb 9, 2024 13:44:01 GMT
If refs enforced the laws, consistently, there would be no need for a sin bin. Dissent is a yellow card offence, end of story. Sadly, at professional levels, it is hardly ever enforced. How would sin bins make referees more consistent?
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Post by imp566 on Feb 9, 2024 14:01:47 GMT
If refs enforced the laws, consistently, there would be no need for a sin bin. Dissent is a yellow card offence, end of story. Sadly, at professional levels, it is hardly ever enforced. How would sin bins make referees more consistent? Not saying they will, refereeing is very subjective, giving decisions based on their viewpoint, angle and interpretation of what they have seen. Even with VAR we get contentious decisions given. What I am saying is there would be no need for a sin bin if ref's applied the laws correctly. Dissent is prevalent at the top level, and when some Premier League players have been disciplined for it this season, people have been surprised! It should be happening more, the players need to remember they are role models who others follow.
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Post by foolhandy on Feb 9, 2024 14:11:12 GMT
If refs enforced the laws, consistently, there would be no need for a sin bin. Dissent is a yellow card offence, end of story. Sadly, at professional levels, it is hardly ever enforced. This. 100% Then there would be no need for this sin bin nonsense.
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Post by eenyc on Feb 9, 2024 14:46:43 GMT
Hate the idea of sin bins for football, but if they were introduced, 10 mins is far too long.
That's more than 10% of total match time during which, as others have suggested, the affected team would do what they could to run down the clock. The whole complexion of a game would be altered by one or two blue cards and not for the better. Apart from all the other problems with the idea, it is two fingers up to the supporters who come in the expectation of seeing a fair contest, not one skewed by an ill-thought sanction that is likely to be triggered far more often than red-card dimissals.
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Post by neilmc4 on Feb 9, 2024 15:28:58 GMT
Observations from a colleague at work who is a ref at Thurlow Nunn Premier (formerly the Eastern Counties League) level and Norfolk FA`s Official Of The Year 2023......... He`s been using the sin bin for dissent as part of the FA`s trial and is a big fan as he reckons it`s reduced "gobbing off" massively. FWIW his technique is to talk to the captain at the occurence of the first offence and basically say `Have a word with your number 4 cos if he mouths off to me again he`ll be off for ten`. 90% of the time this works a treat - in his words it`s self-policing. However , he is most definitely NOT in favour of the sin bin for "cynical fouls" as these are way more subjective and open to interpretation than a player telling the ref that he`s an Evans.
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Post by onlyluke92 on Feb 9, 2024 15:30:14 GMT
Also what happens if the goalkeeper gets a blue card? No keeper for the next 10 mins? Sub keeper in and also have to sacrifice a chosen outfield player instead?
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Post by artvandelay on Feb 9, 2024 17:13:36 GMT
Observations from a colleague at work who is a ref at Thurlow Nunn Premier (formerly the Eastern Counties League) level and Norfolk FA`s Official Of The Year 2023......... He`s been using the sin bin for dissent as part of the FA`s trial and is a big fan as he reckons it`s reduced "gobbing off" massively. FWIW his technique is to talk to the captain at the occurence of the first offence and basically say `Have a word with your number 4 cos if he mouths off to me again he`ll be off for ten`. 90% of the time this works a treat - in his words it`s self-policing. However , he is most definitely NOT in favour of the sin bin for "cynical fouls" as these are way more subjective and open to interpretation than a player telling the ref that he`s an Evans. Therein lies the problem... He should be booked for 'gobbing off' the first time and then the problem is dealt with.
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Feb 9, 2024 20:24:05 GMT
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Post by lionel on Feb 9, 2024 20:24:05 GMT
Also what happens if the goalkeeper gets a blue card? No keeper for the next 10 mins? Sub keeper in and also have to sacrifice a chosen outfield player instead? He will probably get a massive bollocking and hopefully will think twice about gobbing of at the ref in future.
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Feb 9, 2024 20:26:52 GMT
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Post by lionel on Feb 9, 2024 20:26:52 GMT
Hate the idea of sin bins for football, but if they were introduced, 10 mins is far too long. That's more than 10% of total match time during which, as others have suggested, the affected team would do what they could to run down the clock. The whole complexion of a game would be altered by one or two blue cards and not for the better. Apart from all the other problems with the idea, it is two fingers up to the supporters who come in the expectation of seeing a fair contest, not one skewed by an ill-thought sanction that is likely to be triggered far more often than red-card dimissals. As a supporter, can't standing watching players mouthing of at the ref. I want them letting their feet do the talking.
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Post by c130uk on Feb 9, 2024 20:41:43 GMT
Didn't they bring in the advancing of a free kick 10 yards (metric equivalent ) for dissent at one time ? ..is that still a thing ?
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Feb 9, 2024 20:42:56 GMT
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Post by lionel on Feb 9, 2024 20:42:56 GMT
I really don't understand why people are saying football should be more like rugby or more like ice hockey. Football should be more like football. Its a different culture to those sports - is generally seen as a working class sport unlike ruggers. And I imagine you'd need a lot of money to be an ice hockey player too. We have a system, it works. Dissent will still happen, but generally footballers are much better behaved than previous generations. We don't need the game to be meddled with any more than it has been. Not according to grassroot referees! Rugby and (Field) Hockey are good examples that you can have hard agressive play without showing dissent.
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Feb 9, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
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Post by cambsno on Feb 9, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
But… what is the point of a yellow in the last 10 mins (?) of a game? Does nothing. So we are breaking, it’s 1-1with 10 mins to go. Would you rather they go to 10 or someone picks up a yellow?
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Post by suffolku on Feb 9, 2024 21:54:11 GMT
I really don't understand why people are saying football should be more like rugby or more like ice hockey. Football should be more like football. Its a different culture to those sports - is generally seen as a working class sport unlike ruggers. And I imagine you'd need a lot of money to be an ice hockey player too. We have a system, it works. Dissent will still happen, but generally footballers are much better behaved than previous generations. We don't need the game to be meddled with any more than it has been. Wow so being working class entitles you to verbally or physically abuse a ref or in essence a fellow human being. I'm most definitely working class but I'm glad my moral compass points in the right direction.
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Post by champair79 on Feb 9, 2024 22:09:13 GMT
Actually I agree in principle with this. Call it what you want - a blue or amber card. It’s the same thing.
The rules need to be crystal clear as to when a ref can use it, but how many times have we seen a cynical foul simply to stop the other team breaking away? Especially in the last 10 mins when said player hasn’t been cautioned and ‘takes one for the team’. It’s utter crap. You can argue it’s part of tactics but really it’s cheating.
Likewise dissent. A cooling off period if you will. At the end of the day, I suspect not many will be given out and those that are will either be entirely obvious or the players will have been warned beforehand.
The implementation will be key but as I’ve said, I agree with it in principle.
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 9, 2024 22:42:38 GMT
I think you should have to sub on from the crowd for dissent. If you say sh*t you have to select from the NRE, if you say w*nker you have to select from the Habbin, if you say f*ck you have to select from the main stand, if you say c*nt you have to bring on Gerry McDonagh.
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