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Post by martinjohn on Feb 9, 2024 7:33:33 GMT
Thought this was poll worthy. So here's a poll.
Thought I'd keep the options simple, but would have preferred to vote 'not in a million years' because:
- as this would temporarily reduce teams to 10 players or less, coupled with games longer than ever the risk of injuries would increase. - it would make the game more chaotic and less tactical as team may be pulled out of formation regularly. - lower league refs are reffing at this level for a reason... throw in a 3rd card is a recipe for disaster - I see mission creep. It won't be long before it's expanded for other infringements, and there are more and more regulations.
Leave the game alone, it's fine as it is.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Feb 9, 2024 10:03:47 GMT
It should be for dissent and dissent only, the tactical foul aspect is too subjective.
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Post by martinjohn on Feb 9, 2024 11:07:01 GMT
If it was for dissent only, would you support it?
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Feb 9, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
If it was for dissent only, would you support it? Yeah, it would only take a year or so of heavy use before players would learn and then it would be a rare occurrence. Only once we've released Taylor and Lankester though.
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Post by martinjohn on Feb 9, 2024 11:26:32 GMT
haha. Thank goodness Sam Smith has gone too.
I think this is wishful thinking. the FA would need to justify their use, so I'm sure they will find ways to expand their use once dissent has died down.
Dissent is natural, players get fired up. I don't want footballers to be dicks but at the same time I don't want them to be automatons either.
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Post by squibbon on Feb 9, 2024 11:27:17 GMT
More should be done for dissent. Definitely.
However, my worry would be that if teams get a player 'blue carded' for 10 minutes, they would just try to waste as much of that time as possible.
Maybe not by using the dark arts, but by just passing around the back for as long as possible. This is not going to make games better to watch.
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Post by GBC on Feb 9, 2024 11:30:45 GMT
I'd be keen to see sin bins experimented with, but I'm not convinced by the blue card proposal itself. I like the sin bin + TMO review system that's used in rugby union these days, and would rather see something like that being considered for football. It should be for dissent and dissent only, the tactical foul aspect is too subjective. I quite like that. I'd be close to a "Yes" if that was the proposal. (I think a new colour of card is excessive, but maybe it's worthwhile? Something for trials to tell us.)
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Post by The Abbey Stalker on Feb 9, 2024 11:32:38 GMT
Not sure about this at all. One issue will be the length of time it takes to get the player off the pitch and the inevitable protests from players and coaching teams stopped. In most other sports where the sin bin applies, players leave the pitch immediately and the game carries on which almost never happens when reds and often yellows are shown in football. We could easily have halves in excess of 60 minutes when this is combined with the revised added time regs.
Additionally, at older stadiums like the Abbey, where the dugout space is limited and the pitch close to the main stand, where is this sin bin going to be located? It will need additional officials & stewards too (hope they offender gets patted down on the way to the bin!).
Seems totally impractical outside the elite. In essence, a new game with a different set of rules (eg VAR) is being created that will ultimately further widen the gap between the haves and have nots.
Its an unnecessary solution for dissent in particular. Use reds, yellows and re-implement the 10 yard rule, instructing refs to clamp down hard and it will stop soon enough.
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Post by Sandypants on Feb 9, 2024 11:52:33 GMT
More should be done for dissent.
Like following the rules already in place and actually punishing players for it.
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Post by lionel on Feb 9, 2024 12:16:17 GMT
Football has needed sin bins for ages. It is used very successfully in hockey where there are 2 cards which lead to a sin-bin. It has quickened up the game because mouthing of at the ref/umpire just puts your team at a disadvantage. You don't want to be the guy who's carded for dissent. It just doesn't really happen.
I know there is the whole 'players are fired up' so dissent will happen. I do feel that is complete nonsense. Players get just as fired up in other sports but don't mouth of at the ref/umpire to the same extent.
Professional footballers need to set a much better example because their behaviour can cause ridiculous player behaviour in the grassroots.
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Post by suffolku on Feb 9, 2024 12:38:09 GMT
Football has needed sin bins for ages. It is used very successfully in hockey where there are 2 cards which lead to a sin-bin. It has quickened up the game because mouthing of at the ref/umpire just puts your team at a disadvantage. You don't want to be the guy who's carded for dissent. It just doesn't really happen. I know there is the whole 'players are fired up' so dissent will happen. I do feel that is complete nonsense. Players get just as fired up in other sports but don't mouth of at the ref/umpire to the same extent. Professional footballers need to set a much better example because their behaviour can cause ridiculous player behaviour in the grassroots. Absolutely this, football players could learn a lot from their Rugby counterparts who don't feel the need to abuse or surround the ref and they show no less passion for it by smashing each other without rolling around like they have been shot. Mic the ref up and sin bin them, they will soon learn when their team are down to 7 players and they start losing games because of a lack of control, respect and discipline. On Rugby I'd still like to see an independent timekeeper that stops the clock for certain things like injury, goal celebrations, VAR and substitutions so we all know where we are and stop having completely unrealistic time, or lack of it, added on.
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Post by martinjohn on Feb 9, 2024 12:46:02 GMT
I know there is the whole 'players are fired up' so dissent will happen. I do feel that is complete nonsense. Players get just as fired up in other sports but don't mouth of at the ref/umpire to the same extent. You cannot be serious?
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Post by habbinboy on Feb 9, 2024 12:53:04 GMT
Red and yellow should be enough. I have no interest in watching a ref play Uno. It follows VAR as a crap idea.
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Post by martinjohn on Feb 9, 2024 13:19:22 GMT
I really don't understand why people are saying football should be more like rugby or more like ice hockey. Football should be more like football. Its a different culture to those sports - is generally seen as a working class sport unlike ruggers. And I imagine you'd need a lot of money to be an ice hockey player too.
We have a system, it works. Dissent will still happen, but generally footballers are much better behaved than previous generations.
We don't need the game to be meddled with any more than it has been.
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Post by imp566 on Feb 9, 2024 13:37:19 GMT
If refs enforced the laws, consistently, there would be no need for a sin bin. Dissent is a yellow card offence, end of story. Sadly, at professional levels, it is hardly ever enforced.
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