danielcufc
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Post by danielcufc on Aug 31, 2024 18:09:58 GMT
Iwe ended up taking who would actually come rather than the targets Monk wanted but own youth players look a lot better prospects than those we have got in. That unfortunately sums up the recent recruitment.
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Post by andycufc on Aug 31, 2024 18:11:41 GMT
Do you realise that our manager is a big part in our recruitment team? No shite sherlock, but the recruitment has been an issue for a lot longer than the managers have and you may be naive enough to believe our signings were Monks first choice but I am not. If we sacked Monk tomorrow we would still be stuck with the absolute dickheads within the rest of the structure that is massively failing the club. What if Monk’s first choices just weren’t realistic or attainable?
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Post by madmarvin on Aug 31, 2024 18:22:36 GMT
No shite sherlock, but the recruitment has been an issue for a lot longer than the managers have and you may be naive enough to believe our signings were Monks first choice but I am not. If we sacked Monk tomorrow we would still be stuck with the absolute dickheads within the rest of the structure that is massively failing the club. What if Monk’s first choices just weren’t realistic or attainable? Not attainable is one thing but if they weren't realistic targets then that would be pretty damning.
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Post by squeeze. on Aug 31, 2024 18:26:04 GMT
No shite sherlock, but the recruitment has been an issue for a lot longer than the managers have and you may be naive enough to believe our signings were Monks first choice but I am not. If we sacked Monk tomorrow we would still be stuck with the absolute dickheads within the rest of the structure that is massively failing the club. What if Monk’s first choices just weren’t realistic or attainable? Then that would be on the club for hiring a manager 6 months ago with unrealistic and unattainable ideas 3 months before the biggest transfer window at the club in years.
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Post by Andrewlang on Aug 31, 2024 18:58:33 GMT
One person's complaint about unrealistic targets is another person's complaint about a lack of amberbition.
I'd agree there's a lot can be improved or changed about our recruitment policy but aiming high is possibly quite a long way down my list.
Andrew
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Aug 31, 2024 19:06:38 GMT
I'd love to hear why our recruitment team are 'dickheads'.
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Post by andycufc on Aug 31, 2024 19:35:35 GMT
What if Monk’s first choices just weren’t realistic or attainable? Then that would be on the club for hiring a manager 6 months ago with unrealistic and unattainable ideas 3 months before the biggest transfer window at the club in years. The club can’t control the options that these targets have though, can they? An option that seems realistic and attainable very quickly becomes unattainable if a bigger fish arrives with a better offer. From the sounds of it, this has happened on more than one occasion this summer when we’ve been close to getting a player to sign on. Whose fault is it when that happens? Or is it just the nature of where we are as a club? These are genuine questions btw, I’m not trying to be antagonistic.
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Post by squeeze. on Aug 31, 2024 19:48:36 GMT
Then that would be on the club for hiring a manager 6 months ago with unrealistic and unattainable ideas 3 months before the biggest transfer window at the club in years. The club can’t control the options that these targets have though, can they? An option that seems realistic and attainable very quickly becomes unattainable if a bigger fish arrives with a better offer. From the sounds of it, this has happened on more than one occasion this summer when we’ve been close to getting a player to sign on. Whose fault is it when that happens? Or is it just the nature of where we are as a club? These are genuine questions btw, I’m not trying to be antagonistic. Look I don’t know, my point is that our recruitment since we have been in League One has been horrendous. We’ve signed journeymen & players with baggage, we’ve failed to sign players with sell on value & our use of the loan market has been poor. I’ve said it before that I don’t want us to be signing big sexy names but boxing more clever. Accrington, Col U, Crewe & AFC Wimbledon as examples have all been worse than us in this time period but sold several players each for significant fees. We live in a lovely part of the country, got a decent catchment & a growing support whilst the city has ridiculous money in it. We don’t use Non-League & only a couple of our FA Youth Cup players are coming through. We’ve seen 12 players come in & again the better ones are on loan deals. We just seem to be a club with a complete lack of a plan or awareness of a bigger picture whilst intent on telling fans that it’s because of the budget and size of the club. The common denominator in all of that shite recruitment is Strang. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by cufconuts on Aug 31, 2024 19:56:08 GMT
The club can’t control the options that these targets have though, can they? An option that seems realistic and attainable very quickly becomes unattainable if a bigger fish arrives with a better offer. From the sounds of it, this has happened on more than one occasion this summer when we’ve been close to getting a player to sign on. Whose fault is it when that happens? Or is it just the nature of where we are as a club? These are genuine questions btw, I’m not trying to be antagonistic. The common denominator in all of that shite recruitment is Strang. Sorry for the rant. The common denominator is money, league one players want a load of it and we can’t compete with the bigger boys - which is 75% of the competition
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Post by squeeze. on Aug 31, 2024 20:04:52 GMT
The common denominator in all of that shite recruitment is Strang. Sorry for the rant. The common denominator is money, league one players want a load of it and we can’t compete with the bigger boys - which is 75% of the competition Read what I say before replying, fucking hell. If we had a better structure, we could / would create profit, which would allow us more breathing space & a platform to build. If we keep spending the money we do have on signing / resigning shite players / players with no sell on / loanees who are no better than what we have, then we have ourselves to blame.
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Post by hookycrooky on Aug 31, 2024 20:07:01 GMT
I do agree with Squeeze we never sign a player from non league or league below and sell them on unlike those up the road.
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Post by Matt Phillips on Aug 31, 2024 20:26:20 GMT
The club can’t control the options that these targets have though, can they? An option that seems realistic and attainable very quickly becomes unattainable if a bigger fish arrives with a better offer. From the sounds of it, this has happened on more than one occasion this summer when we’ve been close to getting a player to sign on. Whose fault is it when that happens? Or is it just the nature of where we are as a club? These are genuine questions btw, I’m not trying to be antagonistic. Look I don’t know, my point is that our recruitment since we have been in League One has been horrendous. We’ve signed journeymen & players with baggage, we’ve failed to sign players with sell on value & our use of the loan market has been poor. I’ve said it before that I don’t want us to be signing big sexy names but boxing more clever. Accrington, Col U, Crewe & AFC Wimbledon as examples have all been worse than us in this time period but sold several players each for significant fees. We live in a lovely part of the country, got a decent catchment & a growing support whilst the city has ridiculous money in it. We don’t use Non-League & only a couple of our FA Youth Cup players are coming through. We’ve seen 12 players come in & again the better ones are on loan deals. We just seem to be a club with a complete lack of a plan or awareness of a bigger picture whilst intent on telling fans that it’s because of the budget and size of the club. The common denominator in all of that shite recruitment is Strang. Sorry for the rant. I agree we seem pretty rubbish at selling, The only flaw in this, is you’re talking up 4 sides who failed miserable when it came to sticking around and being a league 1 club. Whilst I don’t think our recruitment team cover themselves in glory for a while, I do think that we are never going to come close to progressing on the pitch until there is some huge (quite potentially unsustainable) investment in the playing squad. Which given the club blueprint I just can’t see happening. Those lot up the road seem to do wonders buying and selling but they also have the initial finances to go and do it. I genuinely can’t see more than 3/4 clubs having smaller wages than us. The defensively calamities are whole heartedly on the management team at the moment and the way we’re setting up and whilst better players would give us perhaps some more of a chance, i don’t think its all just down to bad recruitment.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Aug 31, 2024 20:32:40 GMT
We signed loads of sellable players while in League 2 and initially in this division but decided to keep them rather than cash in. I struggle to believe that Strang suddenly forgot what was successful, and rather the limiting factors are much more limiting than some seem to think.
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Post by pepe on Aug 31, 2024 20:34:08 GMT
In my view it feels like Strang is out of his depth. Does anyone know whether he has recruitment experience at this level before United? For me it's time for a change as all other areas have changed and we are still seeing the same issues.
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Post by Denton on Aug 31, 2024 20:44:29 GMT
The club can’t control the options that these targets have though, can they? An option that seems realistic and attainable very quickly becomes unattainable if a bigger fish arrives with a better offer. From the sounds of it, this has happened on more than one occasion this summer when we’ve been close to getting a player to sign on. Whose fault is it when that happens? Or is it just the nature of where we are as a club? These are genuine questions btw, I’m not trying to be antagonistic. Look I don’t know, my point is that our recruitment since we have been in League One has been horrendous. We’ve signed journeymen & players with baggage, we’ve failed to sign players with sell on value & our use of the loan market has been poor. I’ve said it before that I don’t want us to be signing big sexy names but boxing more clever. Accrington, Col U, Crewe & AFC Wimbledon as examples have all been worse than us in this time period but sold several players each for significant fees. We live in a lovely part of the country, got a decent catchment & a growing support whilst the city has ridiculous money in it. We don’t use Non-League & only a couple of our FA Youth Cup players are coming through. We’ve seen 12 players come in & again the better ones are on loan deals. We just seem to be a club with a complete lack of a plan or awareness of a bigger picture whilst intent on telling fans that it’s because of the budget and size of the club. The common denominator in all of that shite recruitment is Strang. Sorry for the rant. This is my complaint, assuming Bennett leaves on a free next year who do we have as a saleable asset? Jobe (assuming his knee recovers which is a big if) Lavery (again assuming he bags a lot of goals) I had a conversation with a few mates last week, who were the last few players we signed from a team lower in the table? The last one we could think of was Brophy, Strang has built a lot of poor squads in his time at United for whatever reason, the 2 seasons he has done an almost impossible job has been by building teams of players who either come from a lower division or from teams much lower down the table than us (admittedly a tough job at the moment being as we are bottom of the league 1 pile) We are 4 years into this league 1 job, I remember a post I wrote 3 seasons ago detailing how we get to a decent place in this division which was 2-3 years of survival by any means necessary. By year 4 we should have a team of up and comers who aren't the full package but are both saleable assets & a springboard to move the club forward We've had a huge rebuilding job this summer and again we have no saleable assets and a lot of players over the age of 30 on their way down. That's a problem, because we did the exact same thing last summer. Next summer we will do the same thing again with 2 keepers out of contract, half our defence out of contract, a handful of others out of contract and 5 other loan players returning to their clubs. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results... Madness
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