danielcufc
First team star
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Favourite CUFC player: Dion Dublin
Favourite CUFC match: Peterborough 1, Cambridge 5 London Road 3.1.1989
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Post by danielcufc on Jun 20, 2024 18:11:24 GMT
More Bonnerball. No plan B. Dreadful. Subs came on early from Bonzgate so some slow progression!
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 20, 2024 18:31:15 GMT
Also...Trippier.
Wrong footed fullbacks are fine but only if they're part of a tactical masterplan. Tripper on the left isn't that - he's there because we didn't plan properly for Shaw to be absent and we haven't adapted to accommodate him into the side properly. I think it affects Fodens game and I think it slows us down on that side of the pitch - no slur on Trippy because he's a solid lad.
He's there because we don't have a single other English left back capable of playing "at international level" - though I'm not convinced it's such a huge step up from the premier league with all it's global superstars.
Andrew
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joe77
On trial
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Post by joe77 on Jun 20, 2024 18:34:30 GMT
Southgate's tactics are genuinely stifling a squad that's the envy of most in this tournament. We desperately need a head coach who brings a more attacking ethos to get the best out of these players.
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Post by ilovechadders on Jun 20, 2024 18:38:20 GMT
It’s so boring watching England. No driving runs, no movement and no tempo. Passing it around and keeping possession, which they couldn't do tonight, is pointless if you can’t make chances.
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malotru
Youth team star
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Post by malotru on Jun 20, 2024 18:58:00 GMT
Shearer earning his considerable wage tonight on co coms tonight and his post match ‘rant’ Absolutely spot on with everything and was definitely the voice for every England fan tonight. Man of the match.
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Post by Delbert Gradius on Jun 20, 2024 19:02:48 GMT
England manager Gareth Southgate hit out at the World Court's order criticising his crimes against humanity at EURO 2024, calling it “outrageous” on Thursday evening.
Responding to a war crimes tribunal brought before the International Court of Justice (ICJ), Southgate vowed to continue to “play attacking flair football".
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Post by funkymonk on Jun 20, 2024 19:15:37 GMT
Apparently Southgate was spotted in Frankfurt kicking a bag of puppies after the match, the utter steward of the bar!!
But Christ, that was shite, but not peaking early, or at all, is a vital part of tournament football. Onto 11 Englishmen against Oblak and Šeško, in the most dismissive of fashions.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 20, 2024 19:19:24 GMT
Anyone else find it weird that one of our best ever managers is used as a slur - especially one who got promoted playing fluid attacking football. A bottom six League 1 side playing pragmatic football is a totally different beast from a top six international side. Comes across disrespectful to me.
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Post by funkymonk on Jun 20, 2024 19:34:20 GMT
Memories of the lockdown legends gave way to the grind. The memory will level itself out over the near future.
Anyways, Southgate out, get the Boner in!
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imp566
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Post by imp566 on Jun 20, 2024 19:39:47 GMT
It’s a hard watch this. Such talented players at club level too The question I would ask is, are they good players at club level because they are in teams with good international talent? Saka and Rice at Arsenal have a great understanding and partnerships with Odegaard, Partey, Jorginho (and Ben White, who ironically made himself unavailable), Foden at City, has the support of Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Rodri and Gundogan (in the season before last), Kane had Son at Spurs, now has half the current German squad supporting him and creating chances for him at Bayern. All of these players give the England 'stars' the time to play and provide the passes to allow them the space to flourish. Now they are in the England team, they are expected to be the main man, dictate the play and dominate games; I'm not sure they are all capable of that. Or is it that they are coached by much better coaches than Gareth Southgate, who lacks the nous to unleash an exciting team that wants to play progressive attacking football.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 20, 2024 19:55:23 GMT
It’s a hard watch this. Such talented players at club level too The question I would ask is, are they good players at club level because they are in teams with good international talent? Saka and Rice at Arsenal have a great understanding and partnerships with Odegaard, Partey, Jorginho (and Ben White, who ironically made himself unavailable), Foden at City, has the support of Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Rodri and Gundogan (in the season before last), Kane had Son at Spurs, now has half the current German squad supporting him and creating chances for him at Bayern. All of these players give the England 'stars' the time to play and provide the passes to allow them the space to flourish. Now they are in the England team, they are expected to be the main man, dictate the play and dominate games; I'm not sure they are all capable of that. Or is it that they are coached by much better coaches than Gareth Southgate, who lacks the nous to unleash an exciting team that wants to play progressive attacking football. Don't think coaching is the issue at this level and the players are clearly good enough, just don't think the manager suits the players anymore. He's clearly a good coach who found a system to get the best out of a fairly average side who performed beyond their level, just don't think he suits a team who ought to be dominant in possession and control games. He should have been thanked and moved on as a cult hero, it's painful watching now and it's going to make people disregard what should have been a very solid legacy. That being said, we should sleepwalk to the quarters and in the next 2 games might stumble into some form. Then it's a 3 game shootout against teams who might be in better form now, are hardly infallible.
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Post by cufctheparrot on Jun 20, 2024 20:00:12 GMT
That was poor, but we still managed a draw.
I’m confused over what Southgate expects of Foden. He very rarely plays well for England but always gets picked. On Sunday he had a terrible match on the left but stayed on. Today he actually tried to run forward and create chances with 2 decent shots from a more central role and seemed to be the only player looking to get forward and score, yet gets subbed in the 69th minute. It’s almost like Southgate doesn’t want us to attack.
The Foden song felt most relevant but could apply to the whole of the team, “Can’t start a fire, without a spark”
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lionel
Reserve team substitute
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Post by lionel on Jun 20, 2024 20:04:09 GMT
More Bonnerball. No plan B. Dreadful. I love the melodramatic meltdowns after every England match...Whilst the team itself has taken 4 pts from 2 games and in pole position to win the group.
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imp566
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Post by imp566 on Jun 20, 2024 20:10:32 GMT
More Bonnerball. No plan B. Dreadful. I love the melodramatic meltdowns after every England match...Whilst the team itself has taken 4 pts from 2 games and in pole position to win the group. Did you watch that match? Have you seen some of the other games which have had teams playing bright, attacking, positive football? I want a winning team, but we won't get past the first knockout phase playing like this against teams who aren't afraid to have a go and who will put pressure on our defence and score goals.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 20, 2024 20:14:21 GMT
I know Spain are decent but Italy look to be doing their best England impression here.
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