Dylan
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Post by Dylan on Jun 20, 2024 20:35:08 GMT
Anyone else find it weird that one of our best ever managers is used as a slur - especially one who got promoted playing fluid attacking football. A bottom six League 1 side playing pragmatic football is a totally different beast from a top six international side. Comes across disrespectful to me. Thank you. This is perfect form of words to express the sentiment I was feeling too!
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lionel
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Post by lionel on Jun 20, 2024 21:46:34 GMT
I love the melodramatic meltdowns after every England match...Whilst the team itself has taken 4 pts from 2 games and in pole position to win the group. Did you watch that match? Have you seen some of the other games which have had teams playing bright, attacking, positive football? I want a winning team, but we won't get past the first knockout phase playing like this against teams who aren't afraid to have a go and who will put pressure on our defence and score goals. Bless... Reference to fan hysteria not performance. Performance was slow and confused. However, we have good players and just need to tweak the formation. Very confident we can go all the way.
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cambsno
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Post by cambsno on Jun 20, 2024 21:51:14 GMT
We cannot win with Southgate. Bleating on about kalvin Phillips.
Thought it was a joke. Palmer not played a minute. We looked so poor. Sooner he goes the better.
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Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 20, 2024 21:56:01 GMT
Don't see Palmer as the answer, he wants to be in the same areas as Kane, Foden and Bellingham too but isn't as good. If we were playing great and needed a like for like change he'd be useful but don't see him altering the balance.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 20, 2024 22:21:25 GMT
I haven't seen the full Kalvin Phillips quote but...Phillips was very good for England and suited Southgates style well. He's not wrong about what he brought to the side particularly.
It's odd to talk about other players when you have Mainoo and Wharton who can effective in that position though. Arnold isn't a Phillips type player so it's clear he's not looking for a 'natural' replacement.
Andrew
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simon
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Post by simon on Jun 20, 2024 22:54:08 GMT
Trent AA is one of the best passers I’ve ever seen play, yet most of the times he had the ball he’s surrounded by Foden, Bellingham and Kane, who all want to play as a 10. The only player looking to stretch the opposition was Saka. Trent found him with one great ball and he nearly scored. Southgate immediately took Trent off and the next thing we know he’s pining after Kalvin Phillips. Southgate seems a lovely bloke and seems excellent at all aspects of his job, apart from the on the pitch stuff.
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Post by cufctheparrot on Jun 21, 2024 6:09:08 GMT
Southgate seems a lovely bloke and seems excellent at all aspects of his job, apart from the on the pitch stuff. Always been the same with Southgate, from the start he has brought a team spirit to England and that in itself was good enough to turn a collection of individuals into a successful team that can get to the last 4 or 8 in tournaments, but it’s just his lack of tactical awareness and how to manage in matches that is the problem. We will qualify, we will win in the last 16 but without that tactical knowledge we will lose to a better in match manager. During the itv coverage of Spain v Italy they laughed about the inconsistencies of Italy during qualifications, but I’m sure that actually winning something and not qualifying another time is preferable to 95% safe, dull football where you ultimately lose against a strong team with a good tactical approach.
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joe77
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Post by joe77 on Jun 21, 2024 7:11:30 GMT
Southgate seems a lovely bloke and seems excellent at all aspects of his job, apart from the on the pitch stuff. Always been the same with Southgate, from the start he has brought a team spirit to England and that in itself was good enough to turn a collection of individuals into a successful team that can get to the last 4 or 8 in tournaments, but it’s just his lack of tactical awareness and how to manage in matches that is the problem. We will qualify, we will win in the last 16 but without that tactical knowledge we will lose to a better in match manager. During the itv coverage of Spain v Italy they laughed about the inconsistencies of Italy during qualifications, but I’m sure that actually winning something and not qualifying another time is preferable to 95% safe, dull football where you ultimately lose against a strong team with a good tactical approach. I admire your confidence in putting us straight through to the quarters, but without the tactical tweaks required, I don't necessarily share it! The defeat to Iceland at Wembley should have acted as a painful reminder of Euro exits past, but it clearly hasn't! Southgate is now bemoaning the absence (although a correct decision by him) of Kalvin Phillips who has been out of form long term. There's actually not a lot wrong with the squad he's picked, other than the selection of a still injured Luke Shaw with no specialist left back cover! He has an opportunity to tweak his tactics and end the group stages on a high by bearing Slovenia comfortably and winning the group. Our chances aren't over because of the absence of a holding midfielder who has been out of form for ages, or at least, they shouldn't be.He could go 4-1-4-1, 4-3-3. He's not short of options to tweak that midfield and show that he's a tactically adaptable coach. But there's every chance he'll go Gallagher for TAA as the only change.
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Post by champair79 on Jun 21, 2024 7:19:59 GMT
Drop Foden and TAA. There’s no doubting the quality of those two but you can’t shoehorn everyone into a system. Play Gordon on the left, and a Gallagher or Wharton in the middle.
I’ve been saying all along, why did we pick Shaw? Even if he’s fit for the last 16, he hasn’t played in months. You can’t just drop someone into a big match like that with no warm up! Trippier is doing a decent if unspectacular job there. We should’ve picked a specialist LB even if they aren’t so-called ‘international quality’.
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danboyb
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Post by danboyb on Jun 21, 2024 7:41:49 GMT
I’d be reluctant to start Gallagher. His sub appearances so far have looked a little chaotic and he was slightly fortunate to avoid a red yesterday. We needed a calm head and he was anything but that.
Wharton would be my choice. He’s in better form than Mainoo, appears to be very calm and composed on the ball and would help bring a better balance to the midfield. Yesterday’s performance could be a blessing, but only if lessons are learnt from it.
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Post by mike_CUFC on Jun 21, 2024 8:14:01 GMT
Watching this England team really is difficult at times, we ground out the win against Serbia and I expected a step up in pressure for the Denmark game. Once again we score and then sit back.
We were lucky to come away with a point in the end, so many loose passers from players all over the pitch so would be harsh to criticise just one or two of the players. Didn't work for Bellingham last night who was a standout against Serbia, Rice looked like he couldn't keep the ball at all unlike the Serbia game. Denmark's pressing from start to finish was commendable and if I was a Denmark fan I'd be wondering how we didn't win that game.
It has all got a sense of de ja vu. We cruise through the qualifiers with one of the best records, stumble through the group but qualify comfortably and then we'll come up against one of the 'big' countries in the QF/semis and will get knocked out.
If we won the odd tournament fans could probably accept the football on display but with Southgate I can't see us winning the competition.
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Bendigeidfran
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Post by Bendigeidfran on Jun 21, 2024 8:18:20 GMT
Awful - Bendigeidfran is Rob Page available to take over ! Ha. Please. There's a couple of million people who'd happily drive him to St George's Park. Looking through this thread, "nice guy", "can't get the best out of his squad", "reluctance to pick form players over his favourites". Sounds perfect.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 21, 2024 8:52:00 GMT
That pitch though...Christ. Looked as though it hadn't been watered in about 8 years.
Andrew
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imp566
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Post by imp566 on Jun 21, 2024 9:08:46 GMT
That pitch though...Christ. Looked as though it hadn't been watered in about 8 years. Andrew Looked like it had been laid on the morning of the game. Shocking and an embarrassment to UEFA. So much for German efficiency!
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 21, 2024 9:09:56 GMT
Most of our players played like it too.
Andrew
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