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Post by artvandelay on Jun 22, 2024 13:13:15 GMT
How can you stand in the six yard box and not be offside? It was the correct decision, it should have taken two seconds. Because the law now says it is only offside if it is hindering the GK. The argument is that he wasn't. Which is subjective. And if you're in the six yard box you have to be hindering the goalkeeper!
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Post by funkymonk on Jun 22, 2024 14:05:08 GMT
Call me funkymonkanishvili cause I love these Georgians.
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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Jun 22, 2024 14:14:32 GMT
International football bores the tits off me which is saying something for someone who watches non-league football but my take Southgate has been involved for a decade. Involved in St George’s Park, involved in youth pathways and managing the national team. Bar Ashworth, he is as responsible as anyone for much of the good stuff. The youth tournament victories, the change in attitudes the players have, the relationships with the country and actually many of our players now are here because of stuff he helped put in place. BUT as the manager of the national team, specifically these players, he’s not upto it. His job now is football management and whether he has peaked or he’s just not upto it, he’s not the man. We have upto 20 very, very good players that could easily have made the first team let alone the squad. Almost a billion pounds worth of talent. We’ve got English players doing well abroad. The Football League is full of English talent. There are players like Musiala, Zaha, Lookman, Iwobi playing for other national teams that came through our system. The talent, the depth, the players simply are not the problem. They do it for the clubs on a weekly basis. It’s the management. It’s that simple. Really good post which captures my ambivalence about Southgate. He's done so much off the pitch (and on it tbf) that I've lots of time for him. But it all now seems to be sadly unravelling. And his comments, which appeared today, claiming that the England players aren't fit enough to deliver his game plan are either desperate or deluded. Or both. Oh Gareth.
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Post by funkymonk on Jun 22, 2024 15:00:51 GMT
Brophinishvili at the death. Bloody hell.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 22, 2024 18:13:13 GMT
Southgate’s comment on the players fitness is I feel, a bit silly.
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Post by danielcufc on Jun 22, 2024 18:44:37 GMT
International football bores the tits off me which is saying something for someone who watches non-league football but my take Southgate has been involved for a decade. Involved in St George’s Park, involved in youth pathways and managing the national team. Bar Ashworth, he is as responsible as anyone for much of the good stuff. The youth tournament victories, the change in attitudes the players have, the relationships with the country and actually many of our players now are here because of stuff he helped put in place. BUT as the manager of the national team, specifically these players, he’s not upto it. His job now is football management and whether he has peaked or he’s just not upto it, he’s not the man. We have upto 20 very, very good players that could easily have made the first team let alone the squad. Almost a billion pounds worth of talent. We’ve got English players doing well abroad. The Football League is full of English talent. There are players like Musiala, Zaha, Lookman, Iwobi playing for other national teams that came through our system. The talent, the depth, the players simply are not the problem. They do it for the clubs on a weekly basis. It’s the management. It’s that simple. Really good post which captures my ambivalence about Southgate. He's done so much off the pitch (and on it tbf) that I've lots of time for him. But it all now seems to be sadly unravelling. And his comments, which appeared today, claiming that the England players aren't fit enough to deliver his game plan are either desperate or deluded. Or both. Oh Gareth. The quotes re fitness have no bearing when you look at Portugal today when many of their squad play in the PL. I am wondering if something has upset the England Camp ~ the Grealish omission for example- and the squad is suffering from mental fatigue as much as physical. Not helped with the erratic selection such as picking an unfit Shaw & not taking Maguire. Yes there is is pressure but all the major nations have that.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 22, 2024 18:52:06 GMT
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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Jun 22, 2024 19:55:31 GMT
The quotes re fitness have no bearing when you look at Portugal today when many of their squad play in the PL. I am wondering if something has upset the England Camp ~ the Grealish omission for example- and the squad is suffering from mental fatigue as much as physical. Not helped with the erratic selection such as picking an unfit Shaw & not taking Maguire. Yes there is is pressure but all the major nations have that. Funny you say that Dan as since Ben White decided that he was unavailable I thought there was something not quite right. It really doesn't add up.
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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Jun 22, 2024 20:05:02 GMT
On another point isn't this 'only the captain can talk to the ref' an absolute brilliant breath of fresh air? Great to see the booking earlier in the first game when yer lad came over and was booked for barking away. Any chance this can be adopted by the EFL for 24/25?
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Post by MartinL on Jun 22, 2024 20:21:03 GMT
Is there a Golden boot for disallowed goals?
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Post by Bendigeidfran on Jun 22, 2024 20:28:57 GMT
Crazy decision that Lukaku offside. A gnats pube in it.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 22, 2024 20:29:20 GMT
"On another point isn't this 'only the captain can talk to the ref' an absolute brilliant fresh of air? Great to see the booking earlier in the first game when yer lad came over and was booked for barking away. Any chance this can be adopted by the EFL for 24/25?"
I feel like this has been a thing for years just never properly implemented. I'm sure I remember it working well for a couple of weeks one season before gradually being abandoned.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 22, 2024 20:38:27 GMT
Crazy decision that Lukaku offside. A gnats pube in it. You're offside or you're not, if you allow the striker an allowance all it does it move the line where you could still be a millimetre offside from to somewhere else.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 22, 2024 20:56:31 GMT
The semi-automated offsides cut the debate right down for me. So far it seems way way more definitive than drawing lines on a camera angle that may or may not be particularly suitable for doing so.
He's offside.
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jun 22, 2024 21:07:25 GMT
Great analysis. The BBC, not you, but ...er, well posted. I only wish that comparable data were available for previous years to put the selection jadedness into a wider context. Notice that although the Germany squad carries a lot of minutes, the teams selected have minimised that. Coincidentally (or not) their pressing is stronger than any team in the prem. If it can be established that there is a limit to how many minutes a player can play effectively in a season, where would you draw the line? Could not pressing be a policy in the group stage to help keep players fit enough for the following elimination rounds? If the England teams suddenly start pressing more, would that show such a policy or a response to this media criticism? Disclaimer: I'm not an England fan.
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