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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Jun 30, 2024 20:01:33 GMT
Despite going mental at the lack of subs, the timing of them in Toneys case, I can’t help but admire Southgate for “trusting the process” I guess you’d say. That takes some bottle to do what he did. I’m not saying it was the right decision, but the stick he would have got for it would have been worse than anything Hodgson faced after Iceland. Terrible performance, but the subs he made all had an impact. I’m no fan of Southgate but the players owe him cos he put his neck on the line for them, he’d have got more stick than any of them had we gone out. No they don't owe him. He's completely changed the 'mood' (wrong word but I hope you know what I mean) and that has taken 8 years....for the love of God can some us at least appreciate what he's done and might do. BTW When Bonner got his coaching badges up at St George's, Southgate was the lead on substitution timing ....
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 30, 2024 20:01:53 GMT
Was at the Switzerland Italy match and the Swiss tricky wingers might cause that team issues. Think we have to go with wing backs to be honest. Trent Walker Stones Konsa Saka
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Post by danboyb on Jun 30, 2024 20:11:02 GMT
Despite going mental at the lack of subs, the timing of them in Toneys case, I can’t help but admire Southgate for “trusting the process” I guess you’d say. That takes some bottle to do what he did. I’m not saying it was the right decision, but the stick he would have got for it would have been worse than anything Hodgson faced after Iceland. Terrible performance, but the subs he made all had an impact. I’m no fan of Southgate but the players owe him cos he put his neck on the line for them, he’d have got more stick than any of them had we gone out. No they don't owe him. He's completely changed the 'mood' (wrong word but I hope you know what I mean) and that has taken 8 years....for the love of God can some us at least appreciate what he's done and might do. BTW When Bonner got his coaching badges up at St George's, Southgate was the lead on substitution timing .... The players owe him a performance in the next round is what I meant. He stuck by them when everyone was calling for them to be substituted. He was protecting them from the incredible backlash they would have got had we gone out. Many would have pointed to his subs, or lack of, as the reason we went out. I was praising Southgate, not criticising him.
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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Jun 30, 2024 20:53:22 GMT
No they don't owe him. He's completely changed the 'mood' (wrong word but I hope you know what I mean) and that has taken 8 years....for the love of God can some us at least appreciate what he's done and might do. BTW When Bonner got his coaching badges up at St George's, Southgate was the lead on substitution timing .... The players owe him a performance in the next round is what I meant. He stuck by them when everyone was calling for them to be substituted. He was protecting them from the incredible backlash they would have got had we gone out. Many would have pointed to his subs, or lack of, as the reason we went out. I was praising Southgate, not criticising him. Ah, misinterpreted that. Got that now.
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Post by danielcufc on Jun 30, 2024 21:15:21 GMT
Easy. Piece of piss. Never in doubt. It's coming home. Southgate you're the one. You can ring my Bell...ingham. Honestly can't be bothered to say much else. I'm very happy. And relieved. And happy. Andrew relieved. Also happy. Roll on the Swiss. Should be another piece of cake.. 🦁🦁🦁 Andrew Love the positivity Andrew. It’s mental tonight in Tenerife just like FABS bar after the U’s win….. …for 95 mins it was like watching us last season 😉
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Post by onlyluke92 on Jul 1, 2024 7:35:06 GMT
Was at the Switzerland Italy match and the Swiss tricky wingers might cause that team issues. Think we have to go with wing backs to be honest. Trent Walker Stones Konsa Saka Would be quite open to seeing a back 5 with Toney & Kane up top, Foden just behind and Rice and Bellingham in the 2
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Post by imp566 on Jul 1, 2024 7:54:33 GMT
Was at the Switzerland Italy match and the Swiss tricky wingers might cause that team issues. Think we have to go with wing backs to be honest. Trent Walker Stones Konsa Saka Would be quite open to seeing a back 5 with Toney & Kane up top, Foden just behind and Rice and Bellingham in the 2 That is quite radical and different from how Southgate has planned and trained the team, so would only be used in an emergency (like last night). However, Switzerland play with a similar formation, so it might be a plan to counter their tactics. Why though, when teams play against a 3-5-2, do they feel the need to match their opponents and play a similar formation? Why don't a team that plays that way think they need to change to match a 4-1-2-3 (or other set-up). If 3-5-2 is the optimum, as that would suggest, why don't all teams play it?
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 1, 2024 8:14:13 GMT
Would be quite open to seeing a back 5 with Toney & Kane up top, Foden just behind and Rice and Bellingham in the 2 That is quite radical and different from how Southgate has planned and trained the team, so would only be used in an emergency (like last night). However, Switzerland play with a similar formation, so it might be a plan to counter their tactics. Why though, when teams play against a 3-5-2, do they feel the need to match their opponents and play a similar formation? Why don't a team that plays that way think they need to change to match a 4-1-2-3 (or other set-up). If 3-5-2 is the optimum, as that would suggest, why don't all teams play it? I don't think 352 is the optimum, it's just a solid option and as we've seen over the last few years matches up well with 4231. Think a 4-3-3 would be more effective against a back 3/5 but we don't really have the players to play that way unless you absolutely rip everything up and go Gordon Kane Watkins or something.
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Post by danboyb on Jul 1, 2024 8:15:16 GMT
The Trippier/Foden combo has to be changed. It’s not working and is so easy to defend against. We’ve got away with it up till now but that is it, literally got away with it. Was painful to watch in an attacking sense last night due to it being so obvious what a natural LB would do- but having to suffer Trippier passing sideways or backwards.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 1, 2024 8:21:00 GMT
The Trippier/Foden combo has to be changed. It’s not working and is so easy to defend against. We’ve got away with it up till now but that is it, literally got away with it. Was painful to watch in an attacking sense last night due to it being so obvious what a natural LB would do- but having to suffer Trippier passing sideways or backwards. The one time Trippier got high and wide Foden got the disallowed goal. That's why I think Saka could be an option as a wingback as it'll allow Foden or whoever to stay between the width of the penalty area.
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Post by cambsno on Jul 1, 2024 8:26:02 GMT
That was dire - very lucky.
Southgate is clueless, so close to going out and it's no shots on target till the end that is damming. He needs to drop those not performing and that includes Foden and even Kane (possibly).
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Pickford Trent Konsa Stones Gomez Rice Bellingham Saka Palmer Gordon Kane (or Toney)
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Pickford Trent Walker Konsa Stones Saka Rice Palmer Bellingham Gordon Kane Toney/Watkins
Why on earth bring a sub on with 1 min to go? Pointless. Toneys header to Kane though was excellent
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Post by danboyb on Jul 1, 2024 8:35:45 GMT
That was dire - very lucky. Southgate is clueless, so close to going out and it's no shots on target till the end that is damming. He needs to drop those not performing and that includes Foden and even Kane (possibly). I would go: Pickford Trent Konsa Stones Gomez Rice Bellingham Saka Palmer Gordon Kane (or Toney) or Pickford Trent Walker Konsa Stones Saka Rice Palmer Bellingham Gordon Kane Toney/Watkins Why on earth bring a sub on with 1 min to go? Pointless. Toneys header to Kane though was excellent The most important thing is that all the subs made an impact. The timing/personnel can rightly be questioned but we won the game so Southgate deserves credit for sticking to his beliefs, even if he was the only one who thought what he was doing (or not doing) was right. As TS said in his post, Saka could be the answer to the problem left side. Sometimes you accidentally stumble across a system that could work and you have to go with it. Saka wouldn’t choose to play that role but he does look the best fit right now.
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Post by rewsan on Jul 1, 2024 8:35:54 GMT
I got no joy from that win, just anger. The lack of subs and then bringing Toney on in injury was pure trolling. I left the room in disgust and came back to see we'd equalised and couldn't even celebrate.
I'm normally a pretty positive person but that match last night broke me. I have nothing left.
When the Spain match came on it was like watching a different sport.
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Post by tojo on Jul 1, 2024 8:46:34 GMT
No pleasure or pride in that victory, another utterly pathetic showing.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 1, 2024 8:48:30 GMT
The Trippier/Foden combo has to be changed. It’s not working and is so easy to defend against. We’ve got away with it up till now but that is it, literally got away with it. Was painful to watch in an attacking sense last night due to it being so obvious what a natural LB would do- but having to suffer Trippier passing sideways or backwards. The one time Trippier got high and wide Foden got the disallowed goal. That's why I think Saka could be an option as a wingback as it'll allow Foden or whoever to stay between the width of the penalty area. A left footed defender in that position would have scored himself from there, I am sure it was a shanked shot that fell to Foden, who probably wasn't expecting the pass.
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