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Post by Andrewlang on Jul 15, 2024 0:27:08 GMT
I just have enourmoose love for every one of those England players. Every single player that has given us such amazing moments and memories over the past four amazing tournaments under the greatest England manager of my lifetime. He almost gave us it all. Love you Gareth.
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Post by Exiled on Jul 15, 2024 0:54:26 GMT
Agree Spain have been the best team and they won it. Not Kyle Walker’s finest hour though to be fair. Very true yet strangely he gets virtually no criticism from the media. I can only imagine the reaction if it was Trent. I think Walker doesn't really play as a center back for Man City, and Saka doesn't play as a wing-back for Arsenal, so not that surprising they got caught out against a top team.
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jul 15, 2024 3:28:36 GMT
Yamal will be 17 the day before the final. Hopefully he'll get pissed on Merrydown Judging by his assist, nope. Yet his shot at goal...? Pickford did do pretty well.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 15, 2024 6:32:28 GMT
Walker was a victim of his own attributes. Should you expect your CB to get out to the opposing full back on the break - almost certainly not, but because he's really good at recoveries Saka didn't feel the need to track back. Trent is an excellent player but he's not going to play centre back nor would you back him 1 on 1 against Williams as a conventional right back, nor should Saka be dropped at wingback. Think for all their possession they didn't really threaten and we defended well when set up behind the ball, both teams struggled when the ball was switched out wide quicky but the difference was willing runners into the box as it has been all tournament. Kane was excellent when he had Rashford and Sterling to run in behind but looked lost without them and his back was clearly not helping.
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Post by mike_CUFC on Jul 15, 2024 8:23:42 GMT
Echoing others, another final but another defeat and all a little bit limp in the end.
Just before Spain's second Southgate looked like he was playing for pens with the subs lined up, just so negative.
Watkins and Palmer changed our look once they came on, they should have started or come on much earlier.
Kane had a poor tournament, spent more time in our own box than the oppositions. And Bellingham seemed to get worse every game after such a promising start.
We have such a breadth of attacking talent and it only ever really threatened in games after we fell behind. A case of 'what if' perhaps. But anyway we can get back to focussing on little old us now and the season starting next month.
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Post by zx10racer22 on Jul 15, 2024 8:30:23 GMT
Last night was tough to take. Southgate will get pelters and I think he'll choose to step down. Maybe it has run its course.
But to those who say Southgate has achieved nothing because he's won nothing, you're wrong. Sorry, but you're very wrong.
The journey DOES mean something. It means moments of unbridled jubilation, memories shares with the friends and family you watch the games with. Those memories last a lifetime. We didn't win the title at Euro 96 and we didn't win the title at Euro 2008, but don't tell me those tournaments are the same because the outcome was the same. They're not even close.
The journey means so much, even if you don't quite make the destination. And Gareth Southgate's England has given us four journeys which have created so many amazing moments, from beating Sweden in 2018 to reach a first semi in 22 years, to Pickford's save against Jorginho in 2021 (40 seconds of absolute joyful carnage ended by Saka's subsequent miss), being on top at 1-1 against France knowing only Morocco would stand between us and a World Cup final, and Palmer's goal last night. There's so many more as well, too many to mention - Trippier's free kick, Germany at Wembley, winning a QF 4-0, hitting 6 goals in a World Cup game twice, Bellingham's overhead, Watkins magic...
No other manager has come close.
So whilst I understand the frustration about his perceived negative tactics, personally, I will forever love Gareth Southgate. He came into an England set-up reeling from two disastrous tournaments in 2014 and 2016, followed by the big Sam debacle. He brought back pride, but above all, he brought back genuine hope.
I've always thought the way to win tournaments is to make sure you're always in the mix late on. Regular semi finals. If you can do that, tournament after tournament, you WILL win something. His England have set that bar and, if he goes, it's a level the next England boss must aspire to. I suspect that, in 30 years time (particularly if we haven't won anything), we will all look back very fondly on "the Southgate years".
Thank you Gareth Southgate.
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Post by El Goodo on Jul 15, 2024 8:40:06 GMT
We didn't win the title at Euro 96 and we didn't win the title at Euro 2008, but don't tell me those tournaments are the same because the outcome was the same. They're not even close. You're right – they aren't even close. Literally didn't have a chance of winning '08 haha.
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Post by laker on Jul 15, 2024 9:07:23 GMT
Last night was tough to take. Southgate will get pelters and I think he'll choose to step down. Maybe it has run its course. But to those who say Southgate has achieved nothing because he's won nothing, you're wrong. Sorry, but you're very wrong. The journey DOES mean something. It means moments of unbridled jubilation, memories shares with the friends and family you watch the games with. Those memories last a lifetime. We didn't win the title at Euro 96 and we didn't win the title at Euro 2008, but don't tell me those tournaments are the same because the outcome was the same. They're not even close. The journey means so much, even if you don't quite make the destination. And Gareth Southgate's England has given us four journeys which have created so many amazing moments, from beating Sweden in 2018 to reach a first semi in 22 years, to Pickford's save against Jorginho in 2021 (40 seconds of absolute joyful carnage ended by Saka's subsequent miss), being on top at 1-1 against France knowing only Morocco would stand between us and a World Cup final, and Palmer's goal last night. There's so many more as well, too many to mention - Trippier's free kick, Germany at Wembley, winning a QF 4-0, hitting 6 goals in a World Cup game twice, Bellingham's overhead, Watkins magic... No other manager has come close. So whilst I understand the frustration about his perceived negative tactics, personally, I will forever love Gareth Southgate. He came into an England set-up reeling from two disastrous tournaments in 2014 and 2016, followed by the big Sam debacle. He brought back pride, but above all, he brought back genuine hope. I've always thought the way to win tournaments is to make sure you're always in the mix late on. Regular semi finals. If you can do that, tournament after tournament, you WILL win something. His England have set that bar and, if he goes, it's a level the next England boss must aspire to. I suspect that, in 30 years time (particularly if we haven't won anything), we will all look back very fondly on "the Southgate years". Thank you Gareth Southgate. Your post is correct, Southgate has transformed us from a disaster at international level to a side regularly getting to the latter stages. Players also now WANT to play for England, it is no longer seen as a chore but as something to be proud of. He’s been fantastic. But We have been far too negative this tournament given the superb attacking players we have. In the four tournaments he’s managed us in, each of the games we lost were there for the taking - we just didn’t or couldn’t take the games by the scruff of the neck. In those eight years from the Croatia semi final defeat, he hasn’t figured out how to get our side to keep the ball against good sides. We lost control of the game in very similar vein against Italy, France and Spain. His in management tactics and ability to change are questionable too though I will give him top credit for getting a reaction from his subs in this tournament in particular. However the general feeling is that his subs were too late - if I was Ivan Toney for example, I’d be fuming at the part I played. So he’s done a wonderful job when you think of where we were and where we’ve got to over his eight year tenure. But we now need someone to take us to that next level. Thanks Gareth but let’s look forward now.
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Post by cambsno on Jul 15, 2024 9:27:41 GMT
Southgate has to be sacked. Yet again he plays negative football, keeps picking out of form players and is reactive. Kane should not have played, Foden has been awful all tournament - Palmer has 1 goal and 1 assist in what, 60 mins of football? Yet he cannot get in the team?
Tactically clueless, we have the players to play attacking football and dominate teams, a bit like Spain have. Had Southgate been in charge of Spain, they would have been knocked out well before the final
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Post by zx10racer22 on Jul 15, 2024 9:44:11 GMT
I understand the criticism but it must be remembered that the margins between glory and failure are extremely thin. If Stones, who otherwise had a wonderful game, had held his shape fractionally better, their goal is offside. If Rice heads it anywhere but straight at the keeper, or if Guehi puts his header a fraction either right or left, it's 2-2.
The criticism around our playing style... I totally understand it. It's a frustrating watch.
But if someone said to be at the start of the tournament that we'd be 1-1 at 85 mins in the final at the cost of playing dull football, I'd have definitely taken that. I think we all would.
Tiny, tiny margins.
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Post by btb on Jul 15, 2024 9:47:14 GMT
I understand the criticism but it must be remembered that the margins between glory and failure are extremely thin. If Stones, who otherwise had a wonderful game, had held his shape fractionally better, their goal is offside. If Rice heads it anywhere but straight at the keeper, or if Guehi puts his header a fraction either right or left, it's 2-2. The criticism around our playing style... I totally understand it. It's a frustrating watch. But if someone said to be at the start of the tournament that we'd be 1-1 at 85 mins in the final at the cost of playing dull football, I'd have definitely taken that. I think we all would. Tiny, tiny margins. And if Pickford hadn’t pulled off several decent saves we would have been stuffed etc etc
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Post by laker on Jul 15, 2024 9:55:40 GMT
I understand the criticism but it must be remembered that the margins between glory and failure are extremely thin. If Stones, who otherwise had a wonderful game, had held his shape fractionally better, their goal is offside. If Rice heads it anywhere but straight at the keeper, or if Guehi puts his header a fraction either right or left, it's 2-2. The criticism around our playing style... I totally understand it. It's a frustrating watch. But if someone said to be at the start of the tournament that we'd be 1-1 at 85 mins in the final at the cost of playing dull football, I'd have definitely taken that. I think we all would. Tiny, tiny margins. And if Pickford hadn’t pulled off several decent saves we would have been stuffed etc etc Exactly this. We could have had no complaints if Spain had gone 2-0 or 3-0 up with the chances they created. 1-1 after 85 mins flattered us.
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Post by milesfenton on Jul 15, 2024 9:56:45 GMT
I understand the criticism but it must be remembered that the margins between glory and failure are extremely thin. If Stones, who otherwise had a wonderful game, had held his shape fractionally better, their goal is offside. If Rice heads it anywhere but straight at the keeper, or if Guehi puts his header a fraction either right or left, it's 2-2. The criticism around our playing style... I totally understand it. It's a frustrating watch. But if someone said to be at the start of the tournament that we'd be 1-1 at 85 mins in the final at the cost of playing dull football, I'd have definitely taken that. I think we all would. Tiny, tiny margins. And if Pickford hadn’t pulled off several decent saves we would have been stuffed etc etc One good save, the others pretty routine. International tournaments in particular come down to tiny margins (I'm sure Slovakia feel the same way).
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Post by funkymonk on Jul 15, 2024 10:16:47 GMT
Don't feel too gutted about last night, one team were head and shoulders above everyone else in the competition and deservedly won it. It wasn't tactical blunders, misfortune or injustice that did it for us. There's no root and branch review required, we lost in a final on foreign soil and that's still a decent achievement even if it did take a series of incredible moments to get there.
Watkins' winner, Jude's bicycle kick, Saka's equaliser and the kind of assured penalty win you'd never have expected from England. It's been interesting.
Enhorabuena España.
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Post by cambsno on Jul 15, 2024 10:19:52 GMT
I understand the criticism but it must be remembered that the margins between glory and failure are extremely thin. If Stones, who otherwise had a wonderful game, had held his shape fractionally better, their goal is offside. If Rice heads it anywhere but straight at the keeper, or if Guehi puts his header a fraction either right or left, it's 2-2. The criticism around our playing style... I totally understand it. It's a frustrating watch. But if someone said to be at the start of the tournament that we'd be 1-1 at 85 mins in the final at the cost of playing dull football, I'd have definitely taken that. I think we all would. Tiny, tiny margins. Rubbish, we were lucky to get through v Slovakia. With the tools he had we should be doing better. If we had attacked and played well and lost 4-2 thats fine. But picking injured and out of from players is a basic error
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