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Post by Andrewlang on Jul 7, 2024 18:01:49 GMT
We know racism exists in football and society against black footballers so it would strike me as reasonable to assume that it follows into coaching and management. There's plenty of studies out there highlighting that black coaches get fewer opportunities, get sacked sooner, and find it harder to get promoted - that's not 'proof' as such but with that and the anecdotal evidence we hear I think it's reasonable to suggest football still has a problem. Euell coming across well here too - www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/jason-euell-out-to-make-fun-of-racism-8140042.htmlEuell has the highest coaching badge available and there is a depth of articles and comments on the internet about him that are very positive so I'm satisfied he's here on merit as the best candidate. Looking forward to seeing his influence. Did he and Monk ever cross over in their playing days? Andrew
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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Jul 7, 2024 18:03:26 GMT
Not for a minute am I suggesting that the best man, regardless of colour of skin shouldn't get any job; but the 'statistical anomaly' you allude to is damning of the ratio of equally qualified black/white coaches hired. Keep your eyes closed if you like, but the facts suggest there is more to this than just interviewing better. I just don’t believe that 92 clubs would prefer to discriminate than choose who they believe is the best manager/coach for the job as that would be against their best interests surely. I personally think that Euell is a great appointment for us and got the job because he is better than Beattie. That's a decent reply tbf. Of course any club would want the best person in the job. But, as imp alluded to earlier, there might (and it is a 'might') be an unconscious/conscious bias in terms of appointing. As someone who is wholly optimistic about life and believing in what people tend to say -if they've got the credibility to say it- then I believe what Euell says is how it is.
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Post by gstictok on Jul 7, 2024 18:09:33 GMT
I am very happy with this appointment Welcome to the mighty U's Jason
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jul 7, 2024 22:09:19 GMT
This is a huge signing for the club. I'm delighted. (and have trouble spotting threads now apparently)
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jul 7, 2024 22:18:52 GMT
It might be because the white coaches are better, it might be because they interview better, it might be because they are better qualified but it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest that discrimination is widespread because from what I can see, apart from a statistical anomaly, there is no real evidence that you are presenting here. To suggest that the white coaches even might be better you have to believe that a researcher reports tossing a coin fifty times, and it came up tails 45 times, is just because the tails side is better at landing uppermost. It makes no sense without bias. Accept or adjust that bias. It is racism. Apart from the strong statistical evidence and any not considered, there is no evidence. I accept that I am a sample of one and opinions may vary on this.
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Post by lionel on Jul 8, 2024 12:01:34 GMT
Jason Euell is a great appointment.
We do need to accept there is an unconscious bias in appointing non- white managers. It's unconscious so very difficult to evidence and need to look at holistic trends.
If you take the golden generation as a very crude example; first manager jobs are interesting: Steve Gerrard- Rangers. Frank Lampard- derby county. Wayne Rooney Derby County. Gary Neville - Valencia. Phil Neville- England Ladies. Sol Campbell- Macclesfield.
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Post by malotru on Jul 8, 2024 13:44:23 GMT
An interesting appointment and definitely seems a next step up appointment for a club our size. His Wikipedia notes says he was responsible for promoting Jordan Cousins to Charlton’s 1st team so maybe he was a factor in Cousins staying.
Hopefully we see the fruits of his signing both off and on the pitch. Welcome to the club Mr Euell.
Also a classic name to use for footballers in ABBA based song title puns.
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Post by jfox on Jul 8, 2024 13:50:38 GMT
Also nice that our coaching staff have some proper names. Gazza, Bazza and Jase.
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Post by face on Jul 8, 2024 14:28:48 GMT
I prefer 'U-Zee'.
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Post by lionel on Jul 8, 2024 16:43:49 GMT
Also nice that our coaching staff have some proper names. Gazza, Bazza and Jase. Just need a Stevie and we are sorted.
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Post by Brophypants on Jul 8, 2024 16:56:43 GMT
When Monk (long may he reign) eventually retires, I hope we have a caretaker stint in which we can sing Euell Army.
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jul 8, 2024 20:05:25 GMT
Euell Never Walk Alone.
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Post by vpclub on Jul 9, 2024 6:38:32 GMT
Euell forever blowing bubbles.
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Post by themiddle on Jul 9, 2024 7:06:11 GMT
Euell always find me in the kitchen at parties.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 9, 2024 12:30:29 GMT
At christmas a rendition of the First Euell might be appropriate.
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