Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 24, 2011 10:54:53 GMT
Yeah, not really a compelling argument is it? So why say it?
In your view. I think it is a compelling argument, which is why I said it!
The Labour mismanagement doesn't really stand out from previous administrations (indeed does better) until the consequences of deregulating the banks (a previous Tory government measure) come home to roost. Yes they failed to reverse the Tory deregulation of banking. A huge mistake. If our savings and mortgages weren't tied up with securities and investment banking we could have let all those dodgy debt dealers go to the wall without a penny of government intervention.
Life is fluent and moves on. It is irrational to blame a previous Conservative policy for Labour's abject failure to manage what was required at the time, and I'm glad you agree with that!
The fact that you put recognising human rights as a bigger 'problem' than the poorly regulated banks destroying the economy and throwing us all into huge debt as a nation, having over loaned to us individually on poor/no security, says a lot about your priorities.
Errrm... it is one thing to recognise Human Rights, it is another thing to allow all sorts of evils to hide behind the Human Rights Act. It is a massive problem faced by this government. Like Health and Safety, the principle of legislation was sound, but the practicality ridiculous.
Unions don't try to bring this country to it's knees. They stick up for their members. If the confrontational negotiating stance of this government leads to massive levels of strikes, I'll remind you that it takes two to tango.
Completely agree with you. Unions are hugely valuable, and even as a Conservative I can see that and respect them for the role they play. I spend a lot of time negotiating with a couple of them, and the point of any union/employer relationship is just that - it needs to be a strong and healthy relationship where each side benefits and compliments the other. Unfortunately, some unions don't see it that way, and many employers too, and that is where the problems start.
I suppose you could get these 'dole scroungers' back to work breaking the strikes. How good do you think they are at teaching? People rarely choose a boring life with very low income. They lack training and skills. They live in areas of low investment and can't afford to move. They have illnesses that make it hard for them to work or hold down a job. The fact that there are a lot of them is largely down to lack of investment and training, partly down to the current economic climate.
Don't tar everybody with the same brush. Benefits are important and must be maintained for those who are able to make the effort for themselves and also for those who are simply unable to make the effort for valid personal reasons, such as ill-health. But there are many who enjoy the lifestyle choice of scrounging which the current system has allowed them to make, and that is totally unacceptable and must be eradicated.
Immigrants are well motivated and trained people solvent enough to move to find work. We are lucky to get them. Some other country paid for their education and upbringing and we get to benefit. Integration can be a local problem when many people with English as a second language settle in the same area, but the media blow it out of proportion.
Again, totally agree with you. I didn't criticise immigrants, but mass immigration (a government initiative) has had amongst other things the effect of making the lazy lazier. At least I can get a reliable plumber now. ;D
There is a lot of poor productivity in the public sector, but it doesn't stop there. Businesses like your own (on average, nothing personal) are much less competitive than their rivals in the USA, France and Germany. This has held true through all flavours of government. Blaming the workers suggests poor leadership, but then again captains of industry are poorly trained in this country too. If only we had a government that didn't just talk a good game on education. It is the lifeblood of the economy. Priority number one in my book.
I didn't take this personally as you don't know my business. In fact, 90% of our income is from the EU, and only about 10% UK. So I think we compete rather well, but you are right in saying that education and leadership are the key. I get sick to death of interviewing people who struggle to string a sentence together, or having to deal with those who are not bright enough to understand their responsibilities - breaking up Grammar schools and allowing the comprehensive system as the 'one size fits all' approach is at fault here, as is the lack of competitiveness in schools, even reaching as far down as primary school sports days. But that is for another thread!
You see Lurid - you're almost a Tory too
In your view. I think it is a compelling argument, which is why I said it!
The Labour mismanagement doesn't really stand out from previous administrations (indeed does better) until the consequences of deregulating the banks (a previous Tory government measure) come home to roost. Yes they failed to reverse the Tory deregulation of banking. A huge mistake. If our savings and mortgages weren't tied up with securities and investment banking we could have let all those dodgy debt dealers go to the wall without a penny of government intervention.
Life is fluent and moves on. It is irrational to blame a previous Conservative policy for Labour's abject failure to manage what was required at the time, and I'm glad you agree with that!
The fact that you put recognising human rights as a bigger 'problem' than the poorly regulated banks destroying the economy and throwing us all into huge debt as a nation, having over loaned to us individually on poor/no security, says a lot about your priorities.
Errrm... it is one thing to recognise Human Rights, it is another thing to allow all sorts of evils to hide behind the Human Rights Act. It is a massive problem faced by this government. Like Health and Safety, the principle of legislation was sound, but the practicality ridiculous.
Unions don't try to bring this country to it's knees. They stick up for their members. If the confrontational negotiating stance of this government leads to massive levels of strikes, I'll remind you that it takes two to tango.
Completely agree with you. Unions are hugely valuable, and even as a Conservative I can see that and respect them for the role they play. I spend a lot of time negotiating with a couple of them, and the point of any union/employer relationship is just that - it needs to be a strong and healthy relationship where each side benefits and compliments the other. Unfortunately, some unions don't see it that way, and many employers too, and that is where the problems start.
I suppose you could get these 'dole scroungers' back to work breaking the strikes. How good do you think they are at teaching? People rarely choose a boring life with very low income. They lack training and skills. They live in areas of low investment and can't afford to move. They have illnesses that make it hard for them to work or hold down a job. The fact that there are a lot of them is largely down to lack of investment and training, partly down to the current economic climate.
Don't tar everybody with the same brush. Benefits are important and must be maintained for those who are able to make the effort for themselves and also for those who are simply unable to make the effort for valid personal reasons, such as ill-health. But there are many who enjoy the lifestyle choice of scrounging which the current system has allowed them to make, and that is totally unacceptable and must be eradicated.
Immigrants are well motivated and trained people solvent enough to move to find work. We are lucky to get them. Some other country paid for their education and upbringing and we get to benefit. Integration can be a local problem when many people with English as a second language settle in the same area, but the media blow it out of proportion.
Again, totally agree with you. I didn't criticise immigrants, but mass immigration (a government initiative) has had amongst other things the effect of making the lazy lazier. At least I can get a reliable plumber now. ;D
There is a lot of poor productivity in the public sector, but it doesn't stop there. Businesses like your own (on average, nothing personal) are much less competitive than their rivals in the USA, France and Germany. This has held true through all flavours of government. Blaming the workers suggests poor leadership, but then again captains of industry are poorly trained in this country too. If only we had a government that didn't just talk a good game on education. It is the lifeblood of the economy. Priority number one in my book.
I didn't take this personally as you don't know my business. In fact, 90% of our income is from the EU, and only about 10% UK. So I think we compete rather well, but you are right in saying that education and leadership are the key. I get sick to death of interviewing people who struggle to string a sentence together, or having to deal with those who are not bright enough to understand their responsibilities - breaking up Grammar schools and allowing the comprehensive system as the 'one size fits all' approach is at fault here, as is the lack of competitiveness in schools, even reaching as far down as primary school sports days. But that is for another thread!
You see Lurid - you're almost a Tory too
