Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Aug 11, 2011 4:24:42 GMT
I am totally against the riots but think we need to address the problems rather than polarise away from them. I have pointed out that I believe the problem became acute since the crunch in 2008. It was a gutless labour government that should have let the banks fold that were bankrupt and nationalised their interests. All I've been saying is that for the State to take on that much debt has resulted in austerity measures from the coalition that have taken their toll disproportionately on the young who whatever way you look at it are in no way responsible for the sins of their elders or the bankers. Gstictok has the right idea. We need to be looking positively on what we can do to be inclusive.
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Post by warren62 on Aug 11, 2011 8:17:23 GMT
Gilbert, They were aged between 11 or 12 and 15 years old. It seems common everywhere in Haverhill especially on a Friday night. There was no alcohol about but they did admit to have been caught with alcohol. Shouldn't their parents especially at the younger end of that age spectrum be taking more interest and control of the situation?
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Post by Jerry1971 on Aug 11, 2011 8:32:48 GMT
Given that one of those who appeared in court in London last night was a 19 year old MOTHER of a six week old child (I mean, what was she thinking of? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ??) accused of stealing an X-Box then I'm not sure we can actually rely upon the parents to take much parental responsibility here. I mean, what on earth was this girl doing out without her six week old child? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) David Cameron is absolutely right - sections of society are not broken, they are sick. And Mark - before you blame the Tories, remember that the current coalition has been in place for fifteen months. They are still trying to sort out the complete shambles left behind from the 1997 - 2010 spell of disastrous new Labour spin and reckless spending.
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Post by warren62 on Aug 11, 2011 9:20:23 GMT
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Post by Rico on Aug 11, 2011 9:46:06 GMT
Great in principle but not sure how it would work practically. We don't want all these scumbags roaming the streets robbing people to feed themselves.
A lot of the rioters had jobs and were quite middle class so not sure what we'd do with them. I think forcing them to do years of community service in return for their benefits /housing might be a better idea
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Post by Jerry1971 on Aug 11, 2011 10:25:45 GMT
Completely agree Ricola. Community service to maintain benefits is the right answer here.
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Post by moose on Aug 11, 2011 11:10:58 GMT
So much for the govt platitudes that offenders will be hit with the full extent of the law. The teaching asst was sentenced to one day in prison and due to the time he had spent in custody meant that he went straight home! No he wasn't. In fact, the Magistrate's Court determined that they're own sentencing powers were insufficient to deal with him. He's been bailed and will appear for sentencing at a Crown Court "at a later date".
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Post by MCO on Aug 11, 2011 11:25:01 GMT
Although, naturally, a far different situation, you only have to see how Germany responded to the sanctions placed upon it after WWI. By taking away these people's benefits, you'll only be strengthening their sense of unjust. If these past few days have taught us anything, it's that they care little what others think. The last thing we need to do is give them reason to care even less. Make them clean up the mess, work hard for the state. Do NOT create even more sink estates by removing benefits and kicking them out of their homes.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Aug 11, 2011 15:02:08 GMT
Salford City Council has decided today to evict local authority tenants whose children were rioting unless the parents grass on their own children. Not sure of the legality of that and am sure its open to challenge but apparently it is a term in tenancy agreements. But begs the question- should the parents suffer for what their kids did?
I know this is a parenting issue but surely you shouldn't be made homeless just because your teenage son or daughter broke the law.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Aug 11, 2011 15:54:56 GMT
I am a parent. I feel a complete and total responsibility for the actions of my son until he is of a legal age - which is 18. I really do not see what is so problematic with that.
If my son breaks the law before his adulthood I would feel mortified and personally embarrassed and responsible for my own failure to bring him up properly.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Aug 11, 2011 16:09:39 GMT
The age of criminal responsibility is 10 in the UK. Legally they are said to know the difference between right and wrong at that age. I think that's a bit young but think of the precedent here if parents are punished for the crimes of the children kids will have a hold over their parents that is frightening. Parenting is not easy at best of times and anyone who has had kids knows how different things can be from one kid to the next and of course there are differing parental styles so a one glove fits all approach is impracticable. Imagine if your teenage child has mental health problems like ADHD how can the parent be blamed when an uncontrollable 14 year old takes to the streets. Some parents do their best in ifficult circumstances and should be supported not punished with losing their homes or such like.
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Post by Lurid on Aug 11, 2011 18:43:48 GMT
Salford City Council has decided today to evict local authority tenants whose children were rioting unless the parents grass on their own children. Not sure of the legality of that and am sure its open to challenge but apparently it is a term in tenancy agreements. But begs the question- should the parents suffer for what their kids did? I know this is a parenting issue but surely you shouldn't be made homeless just because your teenage son or daughter broke the law. It isn't just a parenting issue if it is criminal. The city council are not punishing tenants for the actions of the children, but the failure to report criminal activity of someone in their household. If a kid has ADHD this will be taken into account at the juvenile court. As a parent I would risk eviction to sort things out within the family, but I can see that the council must not be seen to condone and shelter such activity.
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Post by squibbon on Aug 11, 2011 20:26:35 GMT
I have a seven year old and she saw some of the coverage of the riots on the news and said the people were being very naughty. By the time they are 10 kids should know the difference between right and wrong. What they don`t understand is the consequences of their actions, and what effect it could have on their life if they commit crime. Surely not one of the people taking part in the riots, irregardless of their age, was not aware that what they were doing was wrong.
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Post by gstictok on Aug 12, 2011 10:40:38 GMT
Making people homeless wont fix the underlying problem in fact it may add to it by creating another underclass who will have to resort to stealing to survive.
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Post by warren62 on Aug 12, 2011 12:13:20 GMT
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