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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 4:29:21 GMT
Post by richardcamb on Oct 24, 2011 4:29:21 GMT
I'm not sure that Ling showed much commitment either. I agree that John Ryan was undoubtedly useless. The crowds reaction to the sending off incident was hilarious. I'm also still waiting for the players who he reckoned were so keen to join him that they would walk down the M11. However, in the context of the league we were playing in and the financial resources that we had at our disposal he never stood much chance anyway. To a lesser degree that's also true of Ken Shellito, although i must admit that the mind numbing hopelessness of his football has pushed that time to the back of my mind. However,I will argue that with the relative resources available to him compared to the other 2. Ling's time here was a hopeless failure. Admittedly, I may be biased as i hated Ling from about 10 games in. Anyway below is what Ryan was up against and remember we was trying to compete with a core home support not much larger than what we have now. His budget was probably the lowest in that league and the league position was reflected by that. Ling seriously underachieved with a much, albeit relatively bigger budget and was therefore arguably a worse manager. www.footballstatisticsresults.co.uk/images/table.gif
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 5:47:55 GMT
Post by capnbob on Oct 24, 2011 5:47:55 GMT
The most recently booted out manager always feels like the worst at the time and, whilst I am not defending Ling, we certainly have had even worse in the past.
The real problem with most managers is that they think that cash to buy replacements for players who they cannot make effective is the answer to all crises. Whilst that can be a solution it doesn't solve basic coaching and motivational failures and it results in their dismissal and the opportunity for a new person to make the same mistakes, eventually.
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danielcufc
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 12:24:22 GMT
Post by danielcufc on Oct 24, 2011 12:24:22 GMT
The problem is Ling's arrogance. He just did not care and has been said did not even turn up for training half the time. It was just a job to Ling, a pay cheque. He was a naive, bland appointment in the first place. I don't see the likes of Shaggy or Rob Newman getting this stick because even though they had failings, they did care and gave it a go. What Buzz did in 05-06 should be considered remarkable given the backdrop too it, and if the stupid abbey x factor thing hadnt bodged the budget the following summer, he might have done better after that.
Ling is just a Lazy, passionless no mark that almost killed this club off but for Jez. how many fans has his sterile garbage driven off for good? No I don't like him, never did, never will and Torquay are welcome to him though god knows what possessed them to appoint him in the first place!
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 12:36:09 GMT
Post by pct on Oct 24, 2011 12:36:09 GMT
Heard this one before Manager Martin Ling claims Torquay United must find the answer to their poor run of form 'from within'.
The Gulls' 4-1 defeat at Southend was their eight consecutive match without a win and they now sit just three points above the relegation zone.
Ling told BBC Devon: "We've got to find the answers from within ourselves as management and from within themselves as players.
"We've got to keep ourselves positive and we've got to keep plugging away."
Ling continued: "We will keep fighting to find the right answers and keep doing things right on the training pitch and taking it into games."
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edhaygarth
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 12:44:39 GMT
Post by edhaygarth on Oct 24, 2011 12:44:39 GMT
You know that I don't agree about Ling being the worst ever. He's pretty bad mind. Our worst ever manager wouldn't have put a run together like he did at the back-end of his first season. If you took win ratios i bet he wouldn't even be in the bottom 3.
I'm not defending him....hell no.... but time does heal wounds and unfortuantely our Ling inflicted wounds are still pretty raw. Thompson (and maybe Beck II for me). And if we're talking about resources Shaggy had a pretty decent side who seemed to play like strangers.
Out of interest what was the worst/best Ling performance? I can only speak for the ones i was at but i'd say Hayes away (part 1) was the worst, capped off with some of the worst defending i've ever seen from United (Hatswell and Potter). Huddersfield (I suppose both games) for the best. We really should have won the first game.
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 12:49:58 GMT
Post by KaiKai on Oct 24, 2011 12:49:58 GMT
Our win% under Jez in competitive games = 44% Under Ling = 32.1% Under Brabin = 50% Quinn = 45%
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edhaygarth
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 12:55:35 GMT
Post by edhaygarth on Oct 24, 2011 12:55:35 GMT
And Newman, Thompson, Herve etc ?
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KaiKai
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 12:58:24 GMT
Post by KaiKai on Oct 24, 2011 12:58:24 GMT
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 13:01:12 GMT
Post by Bryan Ronaldson on Oct 24, 2011 13:01:12 GMT
A highlight for me under Ling was Luton away when we drew 2-2. However Jez and the boys have replaced this achievement with our win this season! All time low was Hayes and Yeading away part one or losing 4-3 to Luton after being 2-0 up against 10 men... disgusting.
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 13:08:02 GMT
Post by KaiKai on Oct 24, 2011 13:08:02 GMT
or the 4-0 loss to Bath. That was pretty poor
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 16:01:44 GMT
Post by ChrisVessey on Oct 24, 2011 16:01:44 GMT
or the 4-0 loss to Bath. That was pretty poor bigtimer won't remember that, he'd jumped ship by then!
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 16:22:30 GMT
Post by dhpaul on Oct 24, 2011 16:22:30 GMT
The 6-3 capitulation to Alfreton was the one for me.
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Lurid
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 16:26:03 GMT
Post by Lurid on Oct 24, 2011 16:26:03 GMT
About time the wiki page got an update for Jez's recent record as the (officially backed, full-time, non-caretaker) manager this season. Credit where it is due.
Played 18, won 9 (half), drawn 6 (a third), lost 3 (a sixth). On a much (much) lower budget than Brabin.
Maybe we should keep that quiet, in case Lu'on (or the Prem) poach him?
EDIT. I had to come back to this to point out that as a full time manager he has a better record than any previous manager except Claude Le Roi. He is monster. The Squad are monster too.
1.8333 points per game.
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 16:39:57 GMT
Post by ChrisVessey on Oct 24, 2011 16:39:57 GMT
Jez needs a Wiki page himself!
Can't one of you mods/website types sort it out using FACTS??
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Ling
Oct 24, 2011 16:54:33 GMT
Post by Andrewlang on Oct 24, 2011 16:54:33 GMT
Very true ^. I know absolutely nothing about Jez or Nolan.
According to those win percentages Tommy Taylor was better than Roy Mac...I'm not sure I like that idea very much.
Andrew
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