amberman
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Post by amberman on Feb 16, 2018 8:33:53 GMT
Default answer when somebody is trying to look cool or provoke a reaction. File under troll. ah, an ad hominem response? gotcha. Welcome to the internet.
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Post by amberline on Feb 16, 2018 9:31:16 GMT
I would simply say to you- is it not better for a child to grow up in a loving household by a mother and father as nature intended. This board is full of snowflakes. He is not a bigot and neither is he ignorant. These are his opinions and views and for the record I entirely agree with him. To label him a 'bigot' and 'ignorant' is ignorance itself. This society is trying to rewrite nature, biology and history. If you don't like what I've written then suck it up! Read more: cambridgeunitedfc.proboards.com/thread/5089/ex-players?page=340#ixzz57E9WlJ5oMan alive is all I can say to you! WOWCHER! Yes you said it!
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Post by amberline on Feb 16, 2018 9:44:30 GMT
"This board is full of snowflakes" Can you explain what this means please? not trying to be confrontational, I'm just not sure I understand. I'm not sure I understand, why do you need to ask me when you can simply Google it?
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Feb 16, 2018 9:45:04 GMT
Can we get back on topic please.
This is quite an interesting debate, but belongs in social chat, if you want to continue the discussion.
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Post by lionel on Feb 16, 2018 9:52:15 GMT
Nobody will ever change their opinion by being told it is wrong and have no right to hold that opinion. Education changes opinion not conflict. Dan is entitled to hold his belief. I would simply say to Dan- is it not better for a child to grow up in a loving household irrelivent of the parenting line up? I would simply say to you- is it not better for a child to grow up in a loving household by a mother and father as nature intended. This board is full of snowflakes. He is not a bigot and neither is he ignorant. These are his opinions and views and for the record I entirely agree with him. To label him a 'bigot' and 'ignorant' is ignorance itself. This society is trying to rewrite nature, biology and history. If you don't like what I've written then suck it up! Read more: cambridgeunitedfc.proboards.com/thread/5089/ex-players?page=340#ixzz57E9WlJ5o[br I am complete cool to have a rational conversation with you about this. The passive aggresive stance taken just suggests you are not confident in your line. Although, this is now not football topic. 2 questions- Where is the evidence to suggest that a household is more loving if parents are a man and a woman as opposed to a single sex couple? 'If nature intended' Again- where is the evidence? Bringing back to football-these types of attitudes (not the actual indivudual thought (( Same sex couples should not have children)) but fear of rational debate) probably suggests why a footballer would not want to come out.
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Feb 16, 2018 10:05:30 GMT
Thread moved, as this is not really a football related discussion any more.
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imp566
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Post by imp566 on Feb 16, 2018 10:11:48 GMT
3 pages! Wow!
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Post by essjay on Feb 16, 2018 10:30:03 GMT
"This board is full of snowflakes" Can you explain what this means please? not trying to be confrontational, I'm just not sure I understand. I'm not sure I understand, why do you need to ask me when you can simply Google it? ok I did that, it made interesting reading. One part of the definition states; "...is easily offended and unable to deal with opposing opinions" So based on your previous response of "If you don't like what I've written then suck it up!" it looks like you're a snowflake too! I guess you're right, this board IS full of snowflakes. You included. ;-)
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Post by bouncebounce on Feb 16, 2018 10:50:52 GMT
"I would simply say to you- is it not better for a child to grow up in a loving household by a mother and father as nature intended"I don't think so, a review and study by a large number of pediatricians and other experts found children raised by same sex couples were no different than those raised by heterosexual couples. A study in Australia also came to the conclusion that children raised by same sex couples do as well physically, mentally and emotionally as those raised by heterosexual couples. I think the studies disprove the theory that children need both a mother and a father to flourish. I think everyone would agree a child needs love and nurturing...so if they can get that, however they get it, I think that should be seen as beautiful. Andrew Wrong, wrong, and wrong (last sentence obviously excluded) according to the most recent and most comprehensive study so far........ thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/another-study-finds-same-sex-parenting-isnt-best-for-kids/An excerpt...... Deliberately Denying a Child His Biological Parents Is Wrong I can’t emphasize this point enough—the intentionality of it. We’re not talking about accidental births or loss. We are talking about adults premeditatedly deciding to bring a child into this world who will be deliberately denied knowing or having a relationship with his mother or father. Advocates of this deviance from established norms cite their own studies claiming the children will be all right, and reject out of hand more extensive studies that prove otherwise, ignoring grown children who testify that being purposely denied a relationship with their parents is a deep psychological and emotional wound that will never fully heal.
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Post by Rico on Feb 16, 2018 11:07:15 GMT
"I would simply say to you- is it not better for a child to grow up in a loving household by a mother and father as nature intended"I don't think so, a review and study by a large number of pediatricians and other experts found children raised by same sex couples were no different than those raised by heterosexual couples. A study in Australia also came to the conclusion that children raised by same sex couples do as well physically, mentally and emotionally as those raised by heterosexual couples. I think the studies disprove the theory that children need both a mother and a father to flourish. I think everyone would agree a child needs love and nurturing...so if they can get that, however they get it, I think that should be seen as beautiful. Andrew Wrong, wrong, and wrong according to the most recent and most comprehensive study so far........ thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/another-study-finds-same-sex-parenting-isnt-best-for-kids/An excerpt...... Deliberately Denying a Child His Biological Parents Is Wrong I can’t emphasize this point enough—the intentionality of it. We’re not talking about accidental births or loss. We are talking about adults premeditatedly deciding to bring a child into this world who will be deliberately denied knowing or having a relationship with his mother or father. Advocates of this deviance from established norms cite their own studies claiming the children will be all right, and reject out of hand more extensive studies that prove otherwise, ignoring grown children who testify that being purposely denied a relationship with their parents is a deep psychological and emotional wound that will never fully heal. Clicked the link in that article - turns out this “comprehensive study” has been discredited by its publisher. Don’t think I’d have taken too much notice of what a Catholic priest pretending to be a “sociology professor” had to say about this stuff anyway. Hardly likely to be studying the subject with an open mind, and they haven’t exactly got the best record of looking after kids have they?
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Post by bouncebounce on Feb 16, 2018 12:04:39 GMT
Wrong, wrong, and wrong according to the most recent and most comprehensive study so far........ thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/another-study-finds-same-sex-parenting-isnt-best-for-kids/An excerpt...... Deliberately Denying a Child His Biological Parents Is Wrong I can’t emphasize this point enough—the intentionality of it. We’re not talking about accidental births or loss. We are talking about adults premeditatedly deciding to bring a child into this world who will be deliberately denied knowing or having a relationship with his mother or father. Advocates of this deviance from established norms cite their own studies claiming the children will be all right, and reject out of hand more extensive studies that prove otherwise, ignoring grown children who testify that being purposely denied a relationship with their parents is a deep psychological and emotional wound that will never fully heal. Clicked the link in that article - turns out this “comprehensive study” has been discredited by its publisher. Don’t think I’d have taken too much notice of what a Catholic priest pretending to be a “sociology professor” had to say about this stuff anyway. Hardly likely to be studying the subject with an open mind, and they haven’t exactly got the best record of looking after kids have they? Have a proper read of it first before replying. You should be focusing on its variety of points and commenting not rebuffing it due to your pre determined bias. Also have a proper look into Hindawi. They haven’t discredited it they have made an “expression of concern” so as to remove any ‘political’ association. This ‘concern’ was ‘overruled’ so to speak by the STM association and the article as we read it stands. It helps if you read every bit of the article and supporting documents. Regardless of how liberally or open minded you might be, there is just something fundamentally and instinctively wrong about having ‘same sex’ parents. It’s not what nature intended or even biologically ‘allows’ for that matter.
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Post by warren62 on Feb 16, 2018 14:30:15 GMT
Two men cannot be having a baby together. There is a sperm donor , a surrogate mother - these are the biological parents . 1 male who is nothing to do with child,assuming 2nd male was sperm donor. Of couse adopting is an option. And When it all goes tits up which ‘dad’loses the house and pays the child maintenance costs?
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Andrewlang
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 16, 2018 15:40:24 GMT
"And When it all goes tits up which ‘dad’loses the house and pays the child maintenance costs?"
Presumably it'd be no different to a failed hetrosexual relationship? Hopefully you reach a compromise over money, property and shared parental rights, right?
If your scared of kids being raised in broken homes then that possibility applies to heterosexuals too so I'm not sure the reasoning stacks up.
Andrew.
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Post by vanni on Feb 16, 2018 15:50:57 GMT
Look people, we all know the reason why some people object strongly to this issue, and while I don't agree with their opinion I can see where they're coming from. It's all to do with people's personal belief as to whether the boy living with two men will be influenced by his adoptive parents. IOW, they believe the boy will begin to show an unnatural interest in other boys from a young age. Or vise versa in the case of a girl.
I don't see it that way. Simply put, if a boy likes girls then that's it, and IMO there's no possibility at all of being influenced by his adoptive parents. And I don't think his parents will try to influence his feelings either as that would be highly unethical and morally wrong.
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 16, 2018 16:22:16 GMT
"It's all to do with people's personal belief as to whether the boy living with two men will be influenced by his adoptive parents. IOW, they believe the boy will begin to show an unnatural interest in other boys from a young age. Or vise versa in the case of a girl.
I don't see it that way. Simply put, if a boy likes girls then that's it, and IMO there's no possibility at all of being influenced by his adoptive parents. And I don't think his parents will try to influence his feelings either as that would be highly unethical and morally wrong"
Well quite. Being raised by heterosexual parents didn't make me attracted to women.
Whatever people's objections may be - it's happening. These are the times we live in. I think you either move with it or get left behind and open yourself up to accusations of ignorance and bigotry.
Andrew
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