Dylan
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Post by Dylan on Feb 19, 2018 23:35:29 GMT
"My objections are based more around the surrogacy parenting issues rather than adoption. In irony the negative reports come from the adoption/ not from birth parenting side. I don’t believe in surrogacy or sperm donors for Heterosexuals so I’m not going to support it for same sex couples either" What are your objections for hetrosexual surrogacy? You talked of it being selfish to deny a child of a male or female parent in an earlier post which obviously doesn't apply to mixed sex couples. Andrew It crosses the boundary between medical assistance and a blatant interference with nature for me. Are you aware the process involves creating numerous embryo’s before trying to implant one? Using a different host to implant into is just a step too far. The other embryos are then frozen for use as a ‘back up’. If it works all the unneeded/unwanted embryos are discarded like ‘left overs’. If it doesn’t they thaw them out and try implanting a different one repeating the cycle until it does work or they run out of frozen embryos. After processing that, please try and justify how it can possibly be ethical? The ethics alone are enough for a lot of people to raise an objection. And that’s before the surface is even scratched on the moral, political, philosophical and legal side of things. What do you think of male/female couples who have a child that is biologically theirs through IVF?
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Post by bouncebounce on Feb 20, 2018 5:11:42 GMT
It crosses the boundary between medical assistance and a blatant interference with nature for me. Are you aware the process involves creating numerous embryo’s before trying to implant one? Using a different host to implant into is just a step too far. The other embryos are then frozen for use as a ‘back up’. If it works all the unneeded/unwanted embryos are discarded like ‘left overs’. If it doesn’t they thaw them out and try implanting a different one repeating the cycle until it does work or they run out of frozen embryos. After processing that, please try and justify how it can possibly be ethical? The ethics alone are enough for a lot of people to raise an objection. And that’s before the surface is even scratched on the moral, political, philosophical and legal side of things. What do you think of male/female couples who have a child that is biologically theirs through IVF? It’s a completely different scenario to surrogacy with far less implications. There are still some questionable ethics and I know many people who have had children this way even struggled with the scenario/philosophy side of it during the process. Especially when they kept failing on several occasions. Feelings of guilt are not uncommon. However once pregnancy occurred and the child was born they soon adopted ‘the end justifying the means’ way of thinking. People will and always have compromised their principles to meet their strong desires and needs.
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Dylan
First team substitute
Posts: 6,354
Favourite CUFC player: Dion Dublin
Favourite CUFC match: CUFC v AFC Halifax 04.05.14
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Post by Dylan on Feb 20, 2018 7:14:47 GMT
What do they feel guilty about? Discarding frozen embryos in the longer term?
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lionel
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Post by lionel on Feb 21, 2018 20:51:09 GMT
What do you think of male/female couples who have a child that is biologically theirs through IVF? It’s a completely different scenario to surrogacy with far less implications. There are still some questionable ethics and I know many people who have had children this way even struggled with the scenario/philosophy side of it during the process. Especially when they kept failing on several occasions. Feelings of guilt are not uncommon. However once pregnancy occurred and the child was born they soon adopted ‘the end justifying the means’ way of thinking. People will and always have compromised their principles to meet their strong desires and needs. Does it blow your argument if you go into a household with kids doing brilliantly with parents in a gay relationship. And then go into a hetrosexual household in which children are suffering from neglect. Being a good parent has nothing to do with gender but instinct towards the child.
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Post by bouncebounce on Feb 22, 2018 6:56:54 GMT
It’s a completely different scenario to surrogacy with far less implications. There are still some questionable ethics and I know many people who have had children this way even struggled with the scenario/philosophy side of it during the process. Especially when they kept failing on several occasions. Feelings of guilt are not uncommon. However once pregnancy occurred and the child was born they soon adopted ‘the end justifying the means’ way of thinking. People will and always have compromised their principles to meet their strong desires and needs. Does it blow your argument if you go into a household with kids doing brilliantly with parents in a gay relationship. And then go into a hetrosexual household in which children are suffering from neglect. Being a good parent has nothing to do with gender but instinct towards the child. I’m not sure what you are getting at? Neglect is obviously wrong and denying a child either one of their parents (mum or dad), a fundamental need, in order to fulfil a selfish desire is also wrong. Deliberately denying a child any need is a form of neglect. So, no two ‘wrongs’ don’t make it right. Depending on the circumstances it just means one scenario will be less or more ‘wrong’ than the other.
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