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Post by champair79 on Sept 1, 2021 17:23:59 GMT
I’ve always said that the league cup should be scrapped in its current guise along with the trophy and just have one competition for all EFL clubs. There’s probably an issue with the European qualification and other stumbling blocks but how can we end up with two competitions where for the league cup, the PL sides don’t care (and there’s basically no prize money) and for the trophy, prize money but poorly attended and with PL U23 teams.
Make it one trophy for EFL-only (Champ, L1 and L2). The standard is not astronomically different so it would give L2 sides a chance to win a few games and test themselves against Champ and L1 opposition.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Sept 1, 2021 18:13:20 GMT
I’m no fan of the Pizza Wheel Cup but when you compare it to the League Cup for a club like ours, I hate to say it is probably the more beneficial competition for us at the moment. The League Cup has been incredibly devalued over the past few seasons, and the EFL have clearly aimed to improve the offer of the Trophy for smaller clubs given the double prize money you can earn for each group game. Sadly, money talks and if you can earn some whilst giving young talent a decent run out with no pressure on them then so be it.
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Post by simon on Sept 1, 2021 18:22:05 GMT
If you think this is the major threat to our pyramid system then you are looking in the wrong place. Very enjoyable game this evening. Great to see so many kids coming through the ranks, hugely important minutes for weir, may and lankester, plus smith and knibbs grabbing goals. Keeps the momentum rolling nicely. Surprised no one coming in though. We do seem very light in a couple of areas. Pray nothing happens to Ironside! What utter tripe. If/when B teams are allowed in the pyramid then you will have blood on your hands. Meanwhile you enjoy your reserve team football, did you used to watch CRC back in the day too? If not, why not? Blood on your hands? Bit dramatic isn’t it?! Just so you know, the day premier league teams decide they want their ‘B teams’ in the football league will be the day it’s starts to happen. Nothing will stop them. Whether any of them have played in the EFL trophy or not will be totally irrelevant. Thankfully, for now at least, they appear to have no interest in such a move. |
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Post by The Abbey Stalker on Sept 1, 2021 19:15:49 GMT
What utter tripe. If/when B teams are allowed in the pyramid then you will have blood on your hands. Meanwhile you enjoy your reserve team football, did you used to watch CRC back in the day too? If not, why not? Blood on your hands? Bit dramatic isn’t it?! Just so you know, the day premier league teams decide they want their ‘B teams’ in the football league will be the day it’s starts to happen. Nothing will stop them. Whether any of them have played in the EFL trophy or not will be totally irrelevant. Thankfully, for now at least, they appear to have no interest in such a move. No worries, I wasn’t offended. People are entitled to their opinion and forums are all about sharing. It’s seems obvious to me that the one thing the richest clubs want is to guarantee their position by ensuring they are never relegated and believe they’ll continue to attempt to close that door before worrying about B teams in the EFL. Fingers crossed Arsenal come a cropper this season! Zero faith in the powers that be to prevent this happening. Meanwhile I sang Happy Birthday 3 times whilst washing my bloodied hands, then sanitised! Not that I have much feeling in them anyway but better safe than sorry. |
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Post by barry on Sept 1, 2021 20:49:29 GMT
That’s really interesting ….. NOT You may have not found it interesting but I expect some people did. No need for that was there. No need for what? Are we not allowed an opinion on here? Not so long ago someone had one about “muzzles” and away fans in hospitality. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 20:59:07 GMT
You may have not found it interesting but I expect some people did. No need for that was there. No need for what? Are we not allowed an opinion on here? Not so long ago someone had one about “muzzles” and away fans in hospitality. Now I'm really intrigued about the 'muzzle' discussion....I must have been away on my glazier training course ....tell me more! |
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 1, 2021 22:42:14 GMT
The muzzle was to stop Gary Deegan giving someone rabies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 9:03:25 GMT
The muzzle was to stop Gary Deegan giving someone rabies. Andrew Yup definitely missed that one ….Thank God…. |
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Post by haptogoblin on Sept 2, 2021 9:10:15 GMT
What utter tripe. If/when B teams are allowed in the pyramid then you will have blood on your hands. Meanwhile you enjoy your reserve team football, did you used to watch CRC back in the day too? If not, why not? Blood on your hands? Bit dramatic isn’t it?! Just so you know, the day premier league teams decide they want their ‘B teams’ in the football league will be the day it’s starts to happen. Nothing will stop them. Whether any of them have played in the EFL trophy or not will be totally irrelevant. Thankfully, for now at least, they appear to have no interest in such a move. Why would they be interested when they can just Loan their players out to get some experience at lower league clubs and get at least some of their wages payed. It's a nice give and take arrangement that suits both sides of the deal. As much as I loath the greed of of the Premier league encroaching on our cup competitions, I can see why they would prefer the loan system over running a whole club system just to play teams in the lower leagues. |
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Post by smartspud on Sept 2, 2021 10:21:39 GMT
The day premier League B Teams come into the league I believe will be the day many league fans will finally say enough is enough and will stop going. I know I will stop.
Who knows, they may help kill off what they wanted to join in the long run, because FL attendances may drop, thereby lowering their
ability to pay, thereby lowering the standard of player they can attract, thereby lowering the standard of competition the PL wanted in the first place, so the negative cycle may continue.
Also, when PL tried to set up their Euro league with no relegation, even their own fans rebelled, so not sure that would necessarily happen.
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Post by hersey on Sept 2, 2021 10:47:59 GMT
Blood on your hands? Bit dramatic isn’t it?! Just so you know, the day premier league teams decide they want their ‘B teams’ in the football league will be the day it’s starts to happen. Nothing will stop them. Whether any of them have played in the EFL trophy or not will be totally irrelevant. Thankfully, for now at least, they appear to have no interest in such a move. Why would they be interested when they can just Loan their players out to get some experience at lower league clubs and get at least some of their wages payed. It's a nice give and take arrangement that suits both sides of the deal. As much as I loath the greed of of the Premier league encroaching on our cup competitions, I can see why they would prefer the loan system over running a whole club system just to play teams in them. Do you live in a cave? Do you not remember the League 3 debacle? PL clubs did try to get into the Football League, so they obviously did want to. They're utter control freaks when it comes to their loan players, and what better way to control things than by running their own team in the FL? They met enough opposition to stop it happening, but (in common with the so called ESL) if the opposition to such lunacy doesn't continue they'll have another go. The current compromise really suits no one. Most real fans absolutely hate it, so the crowds are sh it. L1&2 managers are (generally) disinterested in the group stage, so the quality of opposition for the "big" clubs isn't good enough. And it's nowhere near enough games to stop the need to loan players out. None of that should be the problem of Cambridge United, though. |
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Post by Fred Colon on Sept 2, 2021 10:51:25 GMT
If the day comes whem Premier League teams attempt to insert their reserve sides in to the Football league (and it IS just a conspiracy theory) it will be a day of reckoning for football which will be fought tooth and nail just as the European Super League idea was. I cannot see the giants winning this one, the gains for them are surely not worth the price.
Perhaps, when the generations are no longer with us that remember the time when every club, no matter how small, could realistically still dream of a day when they might challenge at the very top of the pyramid, things might be different. For the moment, support for Football League teams is robust and strong, perhaps even getting stronger. It's far easier to feel a part of something smaller, local and affordable and far more satisfying than joining the droves of willy-waving braggadocios that relate themselves to football clubs merely to gain some reflected glory.
For the time being, I'm not too worried.
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Post by hersey on Sept 2, 2021 11:00:44 GMT
Chance to see the kids, they say - so presumably you have watched the guys play in the invitational cup over the years, been to St Neots & used to watch CRC? Horseshit. Delighted for Yearn but that’s it. A little bit of me does feel hypocritical in that United fielded kids in an adult league as CRC, however IIRC we were a non-league team ourselves in those days and other clubs also fielded ‘A’ teams. I watched CRC a few times but will NEVER watch us play a cup game in a competition that welcomes Premier League U21s on an equal footing. Used to love the old LDV cup, but not been to a single game since the new format was introduced. Happy for Yearn, but let’s not forget that Ade Azeez scored for fun in this thing too, so it’s not all that. The CRC thing is a bit of a problem when it comes to United fans opposing B teams. We have arguments for mitigation Reserve teams have always been part of the Eastern Counties League (there's still a few in their second tier) It really was a youth team, no 37-year-old goalies. We played the games at the Abbey, no billy big bollox "our ground's too big for the level we want to enter a team into" It was only us and (for a while) Histon, rather than the league being swamped with reserve teams. But we did many of us hate the idea of PL clubs being allowed to do. if we'd only played in their second tier it could be argued that we helping fill up a division that struggles for clubs, but we did take the place of a club who would otherwise have been playing in ECL Prem and if Jez George had his way we'd have moved up to the Sothern League.. |
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Post by hersey on Sept 2, 2021 11:02:11 GMT
If the day comes whem Premier League teams attempt to insert their reserve sides in to the Football league (and it IS just a conspiracy theory).... Again, so you not remember them trying to do this? |
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Post by Fred Colon on Sept 2, 2021 11:48:58 GMT
If the day comes whem Premier League teams attempt to insert their reserve sides in to the Football league (and it IS just a conspiracy theory).... Again, so you not remember them trying to do this? Nope. They obviously failed. |
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