Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Feb 19, 2020 16:38:40 GMT
"Big difference was that it broadly had the public support as we wanted lower prices" That statement reads very sad to me. Not saying you're wrong, it just comes across as very depressing. Andrew Yes, I found that comment surprising given cambno's concern about ambulance response times but hey ho 'In Surrey, ambulances are unable to respond to 999 calls until they receive extra supplies of petrol.' news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/923621.stm
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Post by Jerry1971 on Feb 19, 2020 16:40:22 GMT
The police have let the public of Cambridge down and badly. XR know that Cambridge is a soft touch and that’s why they’re here. The more they are allowed to get away with the bolder they’ll become. I fear for what they will do next. But I suppose fear is something terrorists such as these thrive on Fear not pj. “The more they are allowed to get away with the bolder they’ll become” just add “and the more mistakes they will make” I heard Tilly thingy being interviewed at lunchtime on 5 live. Honestly, XR couldn’t have chosen a worse person to represent them. A privileged funny-coloured-haired chip-on-the-shoulder Pish girl so up herself it was embarrassing. At one point she was banging on about “murder”, and something about “indigenous people”. Even the wanting-to-be empathic BBC presenter at one point was struggling to stifle a laugh and (I think) said to her “What are you talking about!?” The poor girl was utterly convinced the public were behind her, and clearly her beliefs and excitement had overwhelmed any sense of reality. XR won’t be the first organisation to fail because it can’t see its own weaknesses and it won’t be the last. Dear Tilly, who is most certainly one of the ringleaders, really needs to grow up, and take a bath. She is a philosophy student at Kings, but I guess that probably isn’t a surprise to anyone. She’s also likely to have a criminal record soon as she’s one of the hooligans charged today. Three of those charged are from Norfolk, and have (delightfully!) been banned from entering Cambs at all. Whilst Plod was unquestionably hopeless at the outset, they do, finally, seem to be getting their act together a little bit. Over 7,000 have now signed the petition. Folk are genuinely really upset with all of this.
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Post by cambcam on Feb 19, 2020 18:12:06 GMT
In retrospect though I don’t think the lenient strategy of the police could have worked out any better. XR’s blockages are not achieving anything other than turning the public against them. The double standards of the police with their leniency to XR has further angered people and forced the police to act on the criminal damage issue.
As for Tilly, she couldn’t have been more damaging to XR if she tried. You could sense the presenter of 5 Live’s jaw dropping open as Tilly let loose and showed the true colours of XR and the messed up sh*t going on in some of their minds. As for her arrest, she will wear any conviction as a badge of honour. It’s not as if a privileged girl like her needs to worry about money and the effect of a conviction on her job prospects either. Either way, no doubt she’ll eventually end up as head of PR at some lefty organisation spewing the same crap.
They’ll all have f*cked off on Sunday anyway, hopefully with their tails between their legs for a rethink, but with the mindset that ‘all publicity is good publicity’ just sit back and let them do the work for you.
Going to be interesting to see where they go from here.
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Post by cambsno on Feb 20, 2020 14:05:04 GMT
"Big difference was that it broadly had the public support as we wanted lower prices" That statement reads very sad to me. Not saying you're wrong, it just comes across as very depressing. Andrew May have come across wrong but it was a simple argument - government are taxing fuel too much, make it cheaper. Easy to fix and everyone agreed. WIth XR its different. Most people so want greener lives but XR are extreme and not practical. There are also many quick wins that are not being looked at, its not all about banning cars and going vegan. Its more around lots and lots of small changes that add up to big gains, like stop buildings leaving lights on through the night, far, far less plastic packing in supermarkets. If XR did the odd protest that took a few hours, and then camped out on Parkers Piece for a week they would get a lot of support. But vandalising green space and blocking cities for days on end, criminal damage to police vehicles and buildings is not on. It is the biggest PR own goal I can think of... all I can imagine is they are going down the Gerald Ratner route!
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Post by cambsno on Feb 20, 2020 14:08:55 GMT
Fear not pj. “The more they are allowed to get away with the bolder they’ll become” just add “and the more mistakes they will make” I heard Tilly thingy being interviewed at lunchtime on 5 live. Honestly, XR couldn’t have chosen a worse person to represent them. A privileged funny-coloured-haired chip-on-the-shoulder Pish girl so up herself it was embarrassing. At one point she was banging on about “murder”, and something about “indigenous people”. Even the wanting-to-be empathic BBC presenter at one point was struggling to stifle a laugh and (I think) said to her “What are you talking about!?” The poor girl was utterly convinced the public were behind her, and clearly her beliefs and excitement had overwhelmed any sense of reality. XR won’t be the first organisation to fail because it can’t see its own weaknesses and it won’t be the last. Dear Tilly, who is most certainly one of the ringleaders, really needs to grow up, and take a bath. She is a philosophy student at Kings, but I guess that probably isn’t a surprise to anyone. She’s also likely to have a criminal record soon as she’s one of the hooligans charged today. Three of those charged are from Norfolk, and have (delightfully!) been banned from entering Cambs at all. Whilst Plod was unquestionably hopeless at the outset, they do, finally, seem to be getting their act together a little bit. Over 7,000 have now signed the petition. Folk are genuinely really upset with all of this. This is what bugs me, the general hypocricy of XR. Someone I know bleats on about being Vegan and XR, yet drives their kid 2 miles to school each day in a diesel Landrover!!! They are also against social injustice and the colleges supporting all this 'bad stuff' yet she studies at Kings!!! Pretty much the college of the social elite and its like someone wanting alcohol banned working as a barmaid!
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cambcam
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Post by cambcam on Feb 20, 2020 14:50:04 GMT
Well well well, couldn’t you just see this happening.
So the housemates of one of the arrested are having to move out immediately because they are receiving death threats after their address has become known.
Now I’m not condoning the behaviour of those making the threats (and I’ve no idea who they are by the way) but this is what happens when you play with fire.
What a tragic state of affairs all round.
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Post by moose on Feb 20, 2020 16:08:57 GMT
In fairness to Kings, it is probably the most leftwing of the colleges. I think the JCR still has hammer and sickle graffiti from the '70s.
I was due to drive down Fen Causeway yesterday, couldn't, and had to add 10 mins on to my journey - hardly the end of the world
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Post by lesj on Feb 20, 2020 18:04:32 GMT
I bet at the end of this none of their demands have been met.
So therefore a total waste of every one's time.
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Post by pedrosacapuntas on Feb 21, 2020 16:38:33 GMT
Saw they were protesting at an affordable housing development as well.
Utter bunch of fucknuts, even if the whole climate change ideal is admirable they can all FRO.
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Post by pj on Feb 21, 2020 17:48:11 GMT
The police could have saved everyone a lot of time by nipping this in the bud on day one.
Whereas the lack of proper activity by them shows extremely poor leadership.
The position of the head of the local police is totally untenable now and he should resign immediately
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Post by cambcam on Feb 21, 2020 19:12:34 GMT
Dear XR Cambridge, can you please discuss the realities of getting carried away and being arrested at your next meeting,
Getting arrested isn’t fun. Consider this scenario, it could happen to you:
You decide to protest at a Cambridge site. You commit and offence and get arrested. Your address becomes known and an organised mob of antagonised members of the public threaten you. They phone your work. You are suspended and might (will shortly) lose your job. Your innocent but ‘guilty by association’ housemates are terrified. They have to answer uncomfortable questions as they too are having their employers informed. The police tell you to take the threats seriously and advise you to leave immediately. You move, your innocent housemates move.
You might (will) lose your job. You might lose your livelihood. A conviction might prevent you from following your chosen path. You’ve lost your home and your friends. Your housemates are terrified. They’ve lost their home. You’ve cost them money. You’ve caused them untold stress and misery. Your selfishness knows no bounds.
You’ve got to find a new job, a new home and new frien.... no wait, XR are here for you. We are your new friends.
Absolute wankers the lot of you.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Feb 21, 2020 19:15:02 GMT
The police could have saved everyone a lot of time by nipping this in the bud on day one. Whereas the lack of proper activity by them shows extremely poor leadership. The position of the head of the local police is totally untenable now and he should resign immediately Speaking as someone who has been essentially neutral on the XR situation in Cambridge. From my understanding of events I think the police acted in a proportionate way and got it spot on. I don't get the vitriol directed at them or the XR protesters for exercising their right to protest but do think XR made an error of judgement in digging up the lawn and the Barclays thing. It just seemed to confuse the message and was clearly an act of criminal damage. Daft strategy that seemed to court arrest but hey ho at least the road block will have given pause for thought to anyone with half a brain that climate change is the most pressing issue of our time and we need to stop all this footdragging on addressing the issue.
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Post by kentishu on Feb 21, 2020 20:51:11 GMT
Dear XR Cambridge, can you please discuss the realities of getting carried away and being arrested at your next meeting, Getting arrested isn’t fun. Consider this scenario, it could happen to you: You decide to protest at a Cambridge site. You commit and offence and get arrested. Your address becomes known and an organised mob of antagonised members of the public threaten you. They phone your work. You are suspended and might (will shortly) lose your job. Your innocent but ‘guilty by association’ housemates are terrified. They have to answer uncomfortable questions as they too are having their employers informed. The police tell you to take the threats seriously and advise you to leave immediately. You move, your innocent housemates move. You might (will) lose your job. You might lose your livelihood. A conviction might prevent you from following your chosen path. You’ve lost your home and your friends. Your housemates are terrified. They’ve lost their home. You’ve cost them money. You’ve caused them untold stress and misery. Your selfishness knows no bounds. You’ve got to find a new job, a new home and new frien.... no wait, XR are here for you. We are your new friends. Absolute wankers the lot of you. I don't think anyone from XR reads this message board so I am not sure what this is trying to achieve? What it does show is that XR members risk a lot when they protest. But they do it because they think the cause is worth it. It also highlights how intolerant many people are in Johnson's brave new England. We've seen posters on this board incite the violence laden threats that protesters are now receiving. That is just as illegal as the criminal damage caused by XR. Kentish
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Post by TallPaddy on Feb 21, 2020 21:06:12 GMT
Dear XR Cambridge, can you please discuss the realities of getting carried away and being arrested at your next meeting, Getting arrested isn’t fun. Consider this scenario, it could happen to you: You decide to protest at a Cambridge site. You commit and offence and get arrested. Your address becomes known and an organised mob of antagonised members of the public threaten you. They phone your work. You are suspended and might (will shortly) lose your job. Your innocent but ‘guilty by association’ housemates are terrified. They have to answer uncomfortable questions as they too are having their employers informed. The police tell you to take the threats seriously and advise you to leave immediately. You move, your innocent housemates move. You might (will) lose your job. You might lose your livelihood. A conviction might prevent you from following your chosen path. You’ve lost your home and your friends. Your housemates are terrified. They’ve lost their home. You’ve cost them money. You’ve caused them untold stress and misery. Your selfishness knows no bounds. You’ve got to find a new job, a new home and new frien.... no wait, XR are here for you. We are your new friends. Absolute wankers the lot of you. The "absolute" wankers in this scenario would be the organised mob of... people threatening violence.
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Post by lesj on Feb 21, 2020 21:49:28 GMT
The police could have saved everyone a lot of time by nipping this in the bud on day one. Whereas the lack of proper activity by them shows extremely poor leadership. The position of the head of the local police is totally untenable now and he should resign immediately Speaking as someone who has been essentially neutral on the XR situation in Cambridge. From my understanding of events I think the police acted in a proportionate way and got it spot on. I don't get the vitriol directed at them or the XR protesters for exercising their right to protest but do think XR made an error of judgement in digging up the lawn and the Barclays thing. It just seemed to confuse the message and was clearly an act of criminal damage. Daft strategy that seemed to court arrest but hey ho at least the road block will have given pause for thought to anyone with half a brain that climate change is the most pressing issue of our time and we need to stop all this footdragging on addressing the issue. And what makes you think that we were not already aware ?
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