dilbert2402
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Jun 12, 2020 9:25:21 GMT
Post by dilbert2402 on Jun 12, 2020 9:25:21 GMT
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nutsaboutamber
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Racism
Jun 16, 2020 18:08:27 GMT
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Post by nutsaboutamber on Jun 16, 2020 18:08:27 GMT
Make no mistake, that was planned and good old American-owned Umbro fell for it.
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Andrewlang
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 19, 2020 17:47:25 GMT
This seems like as good a place as any. Good news that Hatie Kopkins has been banned from Twitter, eh?
Hopefully that's the end of her vile opinions reaching the public ear...or of her being invited onto the BBC to provide "balance".
Andrew
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imp566
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Post by imp566 on Jun 19, 2020 19:27:20 GMT
This seems like as good a place as any. Good news that Hatie Kopkins has been banned from Twitter, eh? Hopefully that's the end of her vile opinions reaching the public ear...or of her being invited onto the BBC to provide "balance". Andrew The woman is clickbait who has run her course.
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Wingco's Boy
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Jun 21, 2020 16:54:06 GMT
This seems like as good a place as any. Good news that Hatie Kopkins has been banned from Twitter, eh? Hopefully that's the end of her vile opinions reaching the public ear...or of her being invited onto the BBC to provide "balance". Andrew No it's not good news. Banning people from speaking just because you don't like them or their opinions is part of the new woke bullshit narrative.
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Andrewlang
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Post by Andrewlang on Jun 21, 2020 17:07:13 GMT
If the new woke bullshit narrative is not giving a platform to hateful racists then I'm all for it. If anybody thinks racism and bigotry is a valid opinion to have then I genuinely have nothing to say to that person.
I'm sure her supporters can find some dark corner of the web to follow her vile agenda from.
Andrew
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Wingco's Boy
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Jun 21, 2020 17:25:38 GMT
I might like to ban anyone who declares for Defund the Police or for Extinction Rebellion. Except that my wish won't get a look-in. Why should yours? Who says that Hopkins's opinions are vile? Unless she describes her views in those terms, that's an opinion, not a fact.
Who decides which opinions should be regarded as superior and thus merit being heard, as opposed to inferior opinions which don't? I don't recall being asked to vote for these all-seeing, all-knowing arbiters of what passes for correct public opinion.
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Racism
Jun 21, 2020 18:51:24 GMT
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 21, 2020 18:51:24 GMT
If you sign up for Twitter you have to agree to their terms of service. If you break them you are liable to be banned, very simple. You appoint them the arbiters when you use their service.
Personally I would say they're too lax given the amount of death threats, abuse, racism and incitement to violence you can find within 2 minutes on Twitter or Facebook, but every little helps.
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Wingco's Boy
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Jun 21, 2020 19:31:23 GMT
Of course I'm not referring to death threats or things of that nature! Moving beyond the heat of the debate on racism, there are plenty of other examples of censorship. We can look at, say, Youtube's banning of postings that challenged the concept of lockdown during the pandemic. What gives these people the right to deny debate?
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Racism
Jun 21, 2020 19:40:56 GMT
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 21, 2020 19:40:56 GMT
Of course I'm not referring to death threats or things of that nature! Moving beyond the heat of the debate on racism, there are plenty of other examples of censorship. We can look at, say, Youtube's banning of postings that challenged the concept of lockdown during the pandemic. What gives these people the right to deny debate? Google are a private company and if they felt that content didn't fit their values you can hardly blame them for wanting to disassociate with it.
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Wingco's Boy
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Jun 21, 2020 20:59:46 GMT
Of course I'm not referring to death threats or things of that nature! Moving beyond the heat of the debate on racism, there are plenty of other examples of censorship. We can look at, say, Youtube's banning of postings that challenged the concept of lockdown during the pandemic. What gives these people the right to deny debate? Google are a private company and if they felt that content didn't fit their values you can hardly blame them for wanting to disassociate with it. The ownership is not relevant. Whether private media giant, or publicly-funded BBC or Channel 4, or the universities, the civil service, a homogenous single view of major issues of the day has developed, and nothing must be allowed to challenge the imposed wisdom of the politically correct narrative. The erosion of free speech, of proper debate of alternative choices, is the most dangerous thing facing the world. Not racism, not our chequered history, not Covid, not Trump, not climate change, but unrelenting, poisonous groupthink.
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Racism
Jun 21, 2020 21:27:24 GMT
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 21, 2020 21:27:24 GMT
“...a homogenous single view of major issues of the day has developed, and nothing must be allowed to challenge the imposed wisdom of the politically correct narrative.”
What are these major issues where only one “homogenous single view” has been permitted, without challenge? When I think of Brexit, the last election, COVID-19, George Floyd’s death, even Katie Hopkins’ Twitter ban, I have seen heated debate from both sides, and modest views in between. All have had an airing, to the extent that both extremities have claimed the other is given too much of a platform.
Consider the example of taking a knee in support of Black Lives Matter - many organisations and individuals are behind that, and yet we have seen representatives from our own government saying they would never take a knee. I see both sides represented there, each challenging the other. What is the “homogenous single view” on that issue? It seems there isn’t one, hence the wider debate. Hence this debate.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 21, 2020 22:11:25 GMT
The right has a history of criticising the use of inclusive language and egalitarianism to divert attention away from their discriminatory behaviour. The truth of the matter is that they thrive on division and prejudice and only feel a sense of fulfillment when others are in some way worse off than they are. The politics of puting themselves first and sod others and certainly anyone else who is any way different.
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Wingco's Boy
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Jun 21, 2020 22:17:26 GMT
Well let's take Brexit or climate for example. The BBC relentlessly characterises Brexit as bad, while views on climate that go against the received wisdom, simply don't get an airing.
On taking the knee before games, I find the whole spectacle a little nauseous. Choreographed virtue-signalling on this scale seems unhealthy to me. I very much doubt that every player or match official agrees with this, yet they go along with it because if they didn't all hell would break loose for them.
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Racism
Jun 21, 2020 22:34:47 GMT
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jun 21, 2020 22:34:47 GMT
Is that the same BBC that gave Farage way more coverage than leaders of similarly sized parties or the same BBC who until recently were forced to provide 'balance' by giving climate change deniers equal air time despite it being a widely accepted scientific fact?
Russ is right, I'm not sure where you're looking if you think there is no diverse opinions, this country manages to get decisive on almost every topic.
If a player didn't want to take a knee I agree they shouldn't feel forced to, I'd be interested to know their reasons and they should probably be shared before making a stand & hopefully as long as they're reasonable that would be accepted by most. Obviously as we see with James McClean every autumn some people will always be unreasonable for one's reasons for fighting against 'virtue signiling', but you can't win over everyone.
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