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Post by Exiled on Mar 17, 2024 11:12:56 GMT
Funny how a lot of people on here laugh at Watford, and you want to get rid of the manager after 3 games. Fact is, we're not that good and probably should be battling it out at the bottom of the table.
Monk has been appalling so far, but deserves a few more games.
I think playing with a back 5 was a good idea, but surely we only need one of digby or cousins in MF with a back 5? Was nice to see Lennett as a wing-back, even if only for a half. As everyone on the message board has known for a long time that's where he is best suited, but for some reason, all our numerous managers can't see it.
I think I would go for a back 3 of Rossi, Okedina and Morrison if it was up to me. Also, Lancaster and KaiKai should be starting - they are our most creative players. Also, as others have said, Mannion in goal please.
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Post by andycufc on Mar 17, 2024 11:27:27 GMT
Funny how a lot of people on here laugh at Watford, and you want to get rid of the manager after 3 games. Fact is, we're not that good and probably should be battling it out at the bottom of the table. Monk has been appalling so far, but deserves a few more games. I think playing with a back 5 was a good idea, but surely we only need one of digby or cousins in MF with a back 5? Was nice to see Lennett as a wing-back, even if only for a half. As everyone on the message board has known for a long time that's where he is best suited, but for some reason, all our numerous managers can't see it. I think I would go for a back 3 of Rossi, Okedina and Morrison if it was up to me. Also, Lancaster and KaiKai should be starting - they are our most creative players. Also, as others have said, Mannion in goal please. We were playing a back four with Lennett in midfield, weren’t we? Edit: to be honest, I’m not sure even the players could tell you what formation we were playing at points yesterday.
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Post by unclemike78 on Mar 17, 2024 12:02:49 GMT
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I felt a need to write something following our poor run of form and the subsequent meltdown on this message board.
Us (U’s!) football fans are emotional beings. I tend not to post after a game, especially a defeat as, like the rest of you, I feel disappointed and annoyed. Like you all, I love our club and it often helps me get a distraction or release from the other things in life (Right now this is especially true for me, I've had a particularly bad few months). I know this is true for many people. So, it's no wonder that emotions are running high.
I've read a few comments about not feeling connected to this team and no real love for the players. This isn't surprising really, if you consider the team before got us promoted, the win at Newcastle, the great escape and the stability of Bonner in charge. This season that's all changed, so it's no wonder that many don't feel connected to our team right now. It's a hard job for them to live up to those previous achievements.
‘The players have downed tools’ - another comment I've read a few times. I really don't think this is the case. It's highly unlikely that the majority of the players aren't playing well out of choice. I don't think there are many footballers period that go on strike. Of course there will always be individual cases of this happening, but a whole team/majority of a team, I very much doubt it. Football (as we know) is a confidence game and large defeats really don't help.
Singling out players like Cousins, Stevens, Rennet for not caring or ‘terrible’ performances. Ok, several players haven't played well, I agree. However, there's a very one sided view when it comes to analysing a game. Point in case, Cousins in the Northampton game. He actually had a good first half, played really well, but there was very little mention of this. The point is, when things aren't going well, us fans tend to focus entirely on the negative and completely ignore any positive at all. When we are full of emotions we certainly aren't rational or objective!
Garry Monk - 3 games in charge! That's all. I know we have had 2 big defeats, but maybe just maybe there are some other factors at play rather than ‘Monk not having a clue’. Factors like Lincoln being on fire at the moment or confidence being low after Harris leaving and a run of defeats. It's hard to change the mentality of a losing run. Garry Monk is a decent manager and has a pretty good record. Just because he hasn't been a manager for 3 years doesn't mean he's totally out of touch. He would have been involved in some way or another in football. In any case, he's not going anywhere and polls about whether he should be sacked or not are really very unhelpful.
Financial - I believe that we have either the 4th or 5th lowest budget in the league for players. I'm sure FAB will be able to give you the actual facts of the matter. The point is, a lot of people complain about our recruitment and that Strang and Bonner made bad appointments. I would like to see someone do better with our budget. Must be a really tough job. Yes, on occasion there are teams with low budgets who punch above their weight and go on to have great seasons but it's few and far between. Most of the time, teams on low budgets struggle. Simple.
Injuries - we've had quite a few key injuries to contend with. It really has been part of the issue for us this season.
Essentially, Cambridge united are in the best position we have been in a long time. It's not going to be smooth sailing as we are in a tough league punching well above out financial status.
I'm not asking you all to be happy about where we are right now with regards to our form and league position. I'm not asking you to like Garry Monk. I'm not asking you to like all our players. I am asking you to get behind our team and cheer us on, because we have a responsibility to put our best foot forward as well as the people who play for and run our club. Going to get pretty annoyed and upset if I start to hear booing of our own team on match day. I don't think it's far away but I'm not a fan of this behaviour as it just doesn't help anything.
Will I be annoyed/upset if we go down? Yes, of course. Will I still be buying my season ticket next season anyway? Yes, undoubtedly, because I'm a Cambridge united supporter.
Regards
James (aka uncle Mike)
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Post by wimbishu on Mar 17, 2024 13:00:14 GMT
Well written post mike. My problem is who gets these players/managers in the first place. Is it Strang, then maybe he should go. What is the atmosphere like at the club on a day to day basis, is their something there that's not right. Is it a case of your face fits you're alright if it isn't don't bother. Having the same coaching staff for every manager that comes in can't be right. Harris/Monk should of demanded this, if not don't take the job and the club would have take notice.
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Post by unclemike78 on Mar 17, 2024 13:11:26 GMT
Well written post mike. My problem is who gets these players/managers in the first place. Is it Strang, then maybe he should go. What is the atmosphere like at the club on a day to day basis, is their something there that's not right. Is it a case of your face fits you're alright if it isn't don't bother. Having the same coaching staff for every manager that comes in can't be right. Harris/Monk should of demanded this, if not don't take the job and the club would have take notice. Thank you. I wanted to strike a more positive tone than a lot of what has been written recently. You make some valid points. Essentially we don't know what goes on behind the scenes and who makes final decisions. I like the loyalty our club shows to employees but equally I share your view that it may well be detrimental to have the same coaching staff for each manager. I was keen on Gary Rowett. If the reason he didn't come here was due to not being able to bring his own staff then I think we really need to look at this. However, we have Monk and he will have my full support as long as he remains Cambridge united manager. I think budget is definitely a factor for us when recruiting either players or managers. It does of course mean it's very restrictive but if you go the opposite way you end up like one of those clubs getting points deducted and run like absolute basket cases!
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Post by lesj on Mar 17, 2024 13:30:10 GMT
One of the big problems is to keep signing injury prone players. I do realise that budget could dictate that to some degree.After signing Okenabirhie last year knowing his injury record he had a bad year. What did we do ? We signed him for another year and it's come back to bite us As much as I feel sorry for him I hope we don't sign him for another year
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Post by btb on Mar 17, 2024 13:39:01 GMT
One of the big problems is to keep signing injury prone players. I do realise that budget could dictate that to some degree.After signing Okenabirhie last year knowing his injury record he had a bad year. What did we do ? We signed him for another year and it's come back to bite us As much as I feel sorry for him I hope we don't sign him for another year Wow. He’s our leading scorer and without his goals in early season we would be all but relegated already
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Post by unclemike78 on Mar 17, 2024 13:39:54 GMT
One of the big problems is to keep signing injury prone players. I do realise that budget could dictate that to some degree.After signing Okenabirhie last year knowing his injury record he had a bad year. What did we do ? We signed him for another year and it's come back to bite us I suppose the question here is, what players were available as an alternative to Okenabirhe at the same price? Or, did he seem to be in a good place and fully fit? I mean you could sign someone who had no injuries previously but they get crocked in the first game. But, yes, I do take your point. For me, it's my lack of knowledge of what budget we can spend and what's available and then how hard it is to then get that player interested in signing for us. Unless any of us on this forum have experience in club management and signing players it seems harsh to be too critical if we haven't been in their shoes. I know Garry Monk has a history of playing youth. My hope is that we stay up and he revamps a much better balanced team with this in mind.
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Post by btb on Mar 17, 2024 14:14:53 GMT
To whoever started this poll, GROW UP That's me. Yes, it seems insane to be genuinely calling for a manager's head after 3 games, but the three games have been absolutely woeful. We've shipped 10 goals in two games and looked lost, clueless and devoid of any tactics in all three. For a new manager to come in and make us play significantly worse than before he came in is incredibly alarming - and that must be very rare in football. Even in the short term, poor managers tend to get slight boost out of the players when they come in. The manner of the defeats is alarming. As is, to be frank, Monk's persona. He's come across as completely unprepared and incredibly complacent. I don't really care about the three years that he's had out of football, but perhaps appointing a manager with no managerial experience of the lower leagues was a mistake. The falsehood people are telling themselves is that we're rubbish anyway "what do you expect". This simply isn't true. We were excellent in August and were a solid midtable team under Harris. We've got players with the best CV I've known since I was a fan. The poll was set up in all sincerity, and unfortunately for you btb, most people agree with me on this one. I agree with others that the board won't sack him three games in, but maybe if he gets the sense that the fans are incredibly pissed off that might motivate him to pull his finger out or just bugger off. Sorry, but most people don’t agree with you and your silly little poll
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Post by martinjohn on Mar 17, 2024 14:34:55 GMT
That's me. Yes, it seems insane to be genuinely calling for a manager's head after 3 games, but the three games have been absolutely woeful. We've shipped 10 goals in two games and looked lost, clueless and devoid of any tactics in all three. For a new manager to come in and make us play significantly worse than before he came in is incredibly alarming - and that must be very rare in football. Even in the short term, poor managers tend to get slight boost out of the players when they come in. The manner of the defeats is alarming. As is, to be frank, Monk's persona. He's come across as completely unprepared and incredibly complacent. I don't really care about the three years that he's had out of football, but perhaps appointing a manager with no managerial experience of the lower leagues was a mistake. The falsehood people are telling themselves is that we're rubbish anyway "what do you expect". This simply isn't true. We were excellent in August and were a solid midtable team under Harris. We've got players with the best CV I've known since I was a fan. The poll was set up in all sincerity, and unfortunately for you btb, most people agree with me on this one. I agree with others that the board won't sack him three games in, but maybe if he gets the sense that the fans are incredibly pissed off that might motivate him to pull his finger out or just bugger off. Sorry, but most people don’t agree with you and your silly little poll Don't stress, it wasn't a binding vote and doesn't trigger the Monxit clause so Garremainers like you will be relieved.
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Post by Fred Colon on Mar 17, 2024 15:16:38 GMT
Having slept on it, I still have bad vibes about Monk but, as with the change in heart about Taylor most of us have experienced, it's still possible he'll get something to click and turn it round.
Having been abysmal in all 3 games it's understandable, especially in the immediate aftermath of losing two games a total of 10-0, that some fans direct that anger at the new manager.
The romantic side of me loves the idea that Monk goes and Bonner returns to save us. What a great story that would be, no matter how absurd.
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Post by flouncingarburyboy on Mar 17, 2024 15:26:40 GMT
It’s really not a ‘silly’ poll but is indicative of a couple of things. It was overwhelming ‘pro-sack’ yesterday whereas is much more balanced today, reflecting fans’ anger subsiding and settling a little and giving time for some reflection. It is interesting though that the ‘absurdity’ of calling for a manager’s head after 3 games is still supported by such a number of posters. And it’s not as if only 10 people have voted. I still don’t think he’s the right man for the job but as I posted previously would be happy to be proven wrong.
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Post by habbinboy on Mar 17, 2024 15:44:05 GMT
People calling for Monk to be removed are like those mad Tories who think ditching Sunak will somehow save them from their incompetence. The rot set in a while back
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Post by danboyb on Mar 17, 2024 16:02:04 GMT
People calling for Monk to be removed are like those mad Tories who think ditching Sunak will somehow save them from their incompetence. The rot set in a while back I don’t go along with this. I think he deserves this 2 week break to show he’s actually capable of doing the job. Right now all he’s shown is that he’ doesn’t know our squad individually or collectively, he doesn’t know the division, that’s opposition teams and players. More worryingly he doesn’t know how to turn our current form around. 2 weeks is more than long enough to sort that. I’m not expecting to beat Barnsley, but they’re currently suffering promotion jitters, they failed to beat Cheltenham, only just overcome Carlisle and struggled to beat Fleetwood. We should be as competitive against them as all those sides. If we capitulate again then his position becomes untenable. Doesn’t matter whether that’s 4 games or 40. Performance is very nearly as important as the result against them. He needs to prove he’s up for the challenge of keeping us in this league. When he took over he only needed to be half decent to achieve that, so far he’s way short.
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Post by walterwhite on Mar 17, 2024 16:40:11 GMT
Perspective I felt a need to write something following our poor run of form and the subsequent meltdown on this message board. Us (U’s!) football fans are emotional beings. I tend not to post after a game, especially a defeat as, like the rest of you, I feel disappointed and annoyed. Like you all, I love our club and it often helps me get a distraction or release from the other things in life (Right now this is especially true for me, I've had a particularly bad few months). I know this is true for many people. So, it's no wonder that emotions are running high. I've read a few comments about not feeling connected to this team and no real love for the players. This isn't surprising really, if you consider the team before got us promoted, the win at Newcastle, the great escape and the stability of Bonner in charge. This season that's all changed, so it's no wonder that many don't feel connected to our team right now. It's a hard job for them to live up to those previous achievements. ‘The players have downed tools’ - another comment I've read a few times. I really don't think this is the case. It's highly unlikely that the majority of the players aren't playing well out of choice. I don't think there are many footballers period that go on strike. Of course there will always be individual cases of this happening, but a whole team/majority of a team, I very much doubt it. Football (as we know) is a confidence game and large defeats really don't help. Singling out players like Cousins, Stevens, Rennet for not caring or ‘terrible’ performances. Ok, several players haven't played well, I agree. However, there's a very one sided view when it comes to analysing a game. Point in case, Cousins in the Northampton game. He actually had a good first half, played really well, but there was very little mention of this. The point is, when things aren't going well, us fans tend to focus entirely on the negative and completely ignore any positive at all. When we are full of emotions we certainly aren't rational or objective! Garry Monk - 3 games in charge! That's all. I know we have had 2 big defeats, but maybe just maybe there are some other factors at play rather than ‘Monk not having a clue’. Factors like Lincoln being on fire at the moment or confidence being low after Harris leaving and a run of defeats. It's hard to change the mentality of a losing run. Garry Monk is a decent manager and has a pretty good record. Just because he hasn't been a manager for 3 years doesn't mean he's totally out of touch. He would have been involved in some way or another in football. In any case, he's not going anywhere and polls about whether he should be sacked or not are really very unhelpful. Financial - I believe that we have either the 4th or 5th lowest budget in the league for players. I'm sure FAB will be able to give you the actual facts of the matter. The point is, a lot of people complain about our recruitment and that Strang and Bonner made bad appointments. I would like to see someone do better with our budget. Must be a really tough job. Yes, on occasion there are teams with low budgets who punch above their weight and go on to have great seasons but it's few and far between. Most of the time, teams on low budgets struggle. Simple. Injuries - we've had quite a few key injuries to contend with. It really has been part of the issue for us this season. Essentially, Cambridge united are in the best position we have been in a long time. It's not going to be smooth sailing as we are in a tough league punching well above out financial status. I'm not asking you all to be happy about where we are right now with regards to our form and league position. I'm not asking you to like Garry Monk. I'm not asking you to like all our players. I am asking you to get behind our team and cheer us on, because we have a responsibility to put our best foot forward as well as the people who play for and run our club. Going to get pretty annoyed and upset if I start to hear booing of our own team on match day. I don't think it's far away but I'm not a fan of this behaviour as it just doesn't help anything. Will I be annoyed/upset if we go down? Yes, of course. Will I still be buying my season ticket next season anyway? Yes, undoubtedly, because I'm a Cambridge united supporter. Regards James (aka uncle Mike) This is a great post. We lose the sense of objectivity in football. The fact we have survived in this division against clubs the size of Portsmouth, Bolton, Reading (all ex-Prem clubs) is about as good as it gets for Cambridge considering our size and history. Only gradual, sustainable progress is possible and we had that for 4 great years under Bonner who delivered us survival in League 2, promotion to League 1, a great FA Cup win against Newcastle and 3 seasons in the league. On a comparatively shoe-string sized budget for the division. I don't think we're in any place to start complaining about the style of football, when league survival is the objective. The big elephant in the room for me is Paul Barry. He is the one who jeopardised stability and progress with Bonner for a complete chancer and bullshit merchant in Neil Harris and then replace it with someone who looks like he has forgotten how to manage. We simply cannot afford the time it will require to get Monk back in the game. Ultimately, these consecutively poor decisions are led by a man who cannot be held to account by the fact he is the owner of the club. How can we expect any major improvements to our performances if the budget is the same and there is no real progress on the stadium? Perhaps it's time the change needed is in investment and direction instead of the management and playing squad....
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