Wingco's Boy
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Jul 1, 2024 11:24:38 GMT
Southgate was very lucky yesterday. He got the selection wrong again (Mainoo the right change but there needed to be more). Not changing things at half-time was perverse obstinate lunacy.
I agree with the comment about Trippier’s injury being fortunate. He’s an excellent player, but his one-footedness has probably been the single biggest hindrance to the team in the tournament. I hope he doesn’t start again at left-back.
The late substitutions of both Kane and Bellingham really surprised me. The game could easily have gone to penalties, and we would have needed both. When they both departed the finishing eleven looked like lost children they were so inexperienced.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 1, 2024 11:30:09 GMT
Southgate was very lucky yesterday. He got the selection wrong again (Mainoo the right change but there needed to be more). Not changing things at half-time was perverse obstinate lunacy. I agree with the comment about Trippier’s injury being fortunate. He’s an excellent player, but his one-footedness has probably been the single biggest hindrance to the team in the tournament. I hope he doesn’t start again at left-back. The late substitutions of both Kane and Bellingham really surprised me. The game could easily have gone to penalties, and we would have needed both. When they both departed the finishing eleven looked like lost children they were so inexperienced. Given we had Eze playing left back and a fairly ramshackled central midfield area it was only those two that could come off that hadn't been subbed on themselves.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jul 1, 2024 11:30:20 GMT
If we're talking subs I'm going to almost compliment Sir Gareth for bringing on Konsa for the second half of extra time. If he's going to be the guy to come in for Guéhi then it's sensible to give him 15 minutes so that's he's not match cold, while also resting a knackered looking Bellingham.
Maybe, anyway. Either that or it's typical Southgate taking off his attacking players to defend a one goal lead against Slovakia. Grumble grumble.
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Jul 1, 2024 11:39:35 GMT
Anyone else have a horrible feeling that Dunk (the wrong one at that) will come in for Guehi against the Swiss?
That game was so frustrating to watch. We just look like a team that hasn't got a plan. Any signs of trigger movements seem lacking in the extreme. The number of times Saka, Bellingham and Foden made forward runs, to only then have to check back as the ball wasn't forthcoming quickly enough was insane. Stones and Trippier (and Walker to an extent), in particular, seemed to hold onto the ball for too long. Not helped by having a shortage of options for people coming short for the ball. They must be working on something in training, but goodness knows what it is, based on the last three games.
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Post by Dylan on Jul 1, 2024 11:46:28 GMT
I can't believe how badly Harry Kane is playing. He looks a touch chunky to me.
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Post by Andrewlang on Jul 1, 2024 11:52:13 GMT
Kane always looks awkward to me...not sure I'd say chunky but I've always thought he moved much less athletically than you'd expect an athletic person to be.
Anyway, I think he's still struggling with the back injury that he got with Munich at the end of the season.
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Post by cambsno on Jul 1, 2024 12:10:59 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. It could have gone horribly wrong, probably should have done, but the subs he made had the maximum impact in the time they were given. As I said, you can argue about the timings but not the changes made. Had we gone out we’d all have used the lack of subs as one of the main reasons for our exit, the fact we’re still in it.. means Southgate can claim he made the right call. Ask Ivan Toney what he thought about being thrown on in the last minute? Southgate himself said that he had a major strop! It is desperation stuff at that stage, as it was sending on Eze with 6 or 7 minutes left. If you want to give subs a reasonable opportunity to influence the game, they need at least 15-20 minutes to get to the speed of the game and have a meaningful impact. (I accept that Toney claims and assist for Kane's winner, but my point still stands, that is rare!) Which is my point. The Toney sub did work but only because of a last-second goal. He should have been on long before, same with Eze. Toney only impacted the game as he had 30 mins to go (ET). Bringing Toney on between FT & ET would have been a good sub, but at 94 mins with 1 or 2 mins to play is NOT a good sub.
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Post by cambsno on Jul 1, 2024 12:12:11 GMT
I think you can as it was sheer luck that he got away with this one. 9 times out of 10 we would have lost that game. It does not vindicate his decisions. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. It could have gone horribly wrong, probably should have done, but the subs he made had the maximum impact in the time they were given. As I said, you can argue about the timings but not the changes made. Had we gone out we’d all have used the lack of subs as one of the main reasons for our exit, the fact we’re still in it.. means Southgate can claim he made the right call. Saying it his decisions are vindicated is like me running across the A14, managing not to get hit by a car and saying my decision was vindicated - pure luck!
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Post by pgtips (lurid) on Jul 1, 2024 12:23:32 GMT
Don't worry, even if we hold out to win, it will be back to the same against Switzerland. It will absolutely. One change, Konza for Trippier at full back potentially, that'll be it! That would at least recognise the form of recent shifts. As a neutral, I expected Trip and Fod to be subbed off earlier.
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Post by danboyb on Jul 1, 2024 12:41:01 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. It could have gone horribly wrong, probably should have done, but the subs he made had the maximum impact in the time they were given. As I said, you can argue about the timings but not the changes made. Had we gone out we’d all have used the lack of subs as one of the main reasons for our exit, the fact we’re still in it.. means Southgate can claim he made the right call. Saying it his decisions are vindicated is like me running across the A14, managing not to get hit by a car and saying my decision was vindicated - pure luck! As I stated earlier, had he brought Toney on sooner he may well have replaced Kane, I probably would have in truth. I think as fans we always want subs earlier than they’re put on. Had Foden not been an idiot and strayed offside we would have been level very early in the second half.. with no subs made at HT, Southgate could point to that and say it was unlucky that we weren’t. From his point of view he will say the result vindicates the decisions he made. Others will say different. He stayed calm and made the right subs, right time is debatable but he won’t change now, it’s his style of managing.
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Post by cufctheparrot on Jul 1, 2024 13:04:45 GMT
But even if we did, questions would still be asked about the performances. And who can say that's wrong when we've looked decent for about 10 minutes out of 400? Harsh we have looked good for 30 minutes 25 Minutes v Serbia 1 Minute v Denmark 4 Minutes v Slovakia The match against Slovenia was a disappointment.
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Post by El Goodo on Jul 1, 2024 13:18:08 GMT
Harsh we have looked good for 30 minutes Are you Neil Harris in disguise?
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Post by zx10racer22 on Jul 1, 2024 13:39:55 GMT
Harsh we have looked good for 30 minutes Are you Neil Harris in disguise? He's 50% Neil Harris, 50% Parrot and 20% Neil Harris.
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Post by amberandy22 on Jul 1, 2024 15:32:19 GMT
Ask Ivan Toney what he thought about being thrown on in the last minute? Southgate himself said that he had a major strop! It is desperation stuff at that stage, as it was sending on Eze with 6 or 7 minutes left. If you want to give subs a reasonable opportunity to influence the game, they need at least 15-20 minutes to get to the speed of the game and have a meaningful impact. (I accept that Toney claims and assist for Kane's winner, but my point still stands, that is rare!) Which is my point. The Toney sub did work but only because of a last-second goal. He should have been on long before, same with Eze. Toney only impacted the game as he had 30 mins to go (ET). Bringing Toney on between FT & ET would have been a good sub, but at 94 mins with 1 or 2 mins to play is NOT a good sub. The trouble with Toney is he’s not international savvie and will give away a lot of free kicks when we have attacking moments. He was effective for that period and gave them something different to think about.
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Post by mike_CUFC on Jul 1, 2024 20:54:09 GMT
Slovenia taking Portugal to ET.
France have scored only 3 goals to make the QF, 2 own goals and 1 penalty.
Italy out.
I’m torn as to whether Southgate maybe isn’t so bad after all 🤣
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