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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 26, 2011 9:15:52 GMT
I'm not sure of population of the city now but 2 years ago it was around 121,000. So if there are 7,000 muslims in the city that would indicate they constitute around 1 in 20 of the population. Our average attendances last year were around 2,500 so if only 10 Muslims made up that you appear to be implying a very poor ratio of around 1 in 250 attending . If your supposition is right, the club should be engaging more with Muslims. As an untapped resource for the club, using your figure of no more than 10 Muslim fans, we could potentially increase our gate and revenue by at least another 100. I wonder how the club fares with attracting Christians to games. This is a sad but true reflection on our national game up and down this country. There simply isn't the attendance at football matches by muslim supporters in anything like the same percentage proportionately to the percentage of Muslims within the population. In some regards there are obvious reasons - stereotypically cricket is the Asian game rather than football, but I think it is really sad that most Muslim football fans are put off by the thought of racism which they fear will be directed towards them by football fans. I know this is crass generalisation, and I am sure it would be a worse problem in some areas (oop narrrth springs to mind) but it is I am sure a contributory factor in poor Muslim take up at games. Also noticeable that there are very very few Muslim players in the game. I can think of approx three who have made it into the pro game over the years.
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Post by Rico on Jun 26, 2011 9:19:35 GMT
I don't agree with your view many cambridge united fans and forum users are Muslims , 10 would be pushing it. Why do we need a separate coucil though for the muslim community if the muslim community wish to intergrate fully with our society why is there a need of a body that separates and points out there are Muslim 27 splinter groups - thats ok , but a right wing group reprsenting a very minoriy view of some isn't. Cambridge is one diverse community - there is a central elected council to represent all. I think you might be getting a bit confused by them using the term 'council'. i don't think they're proposing that they offer an alternative to county or city council. As far as I can tell it's just an assembly of muslims and other local residents where they can deal with issues specific to muslims in the area. Think it could help tackle extremism and help them integrate better with other groups not the other way round. It's legitimate for people to be worried about extremism and a lack of integration by Muslims but this group will have more chance to change things for good than the EDL. If their (The EDL) aims are really as they claim to take extremism rather than being generally anti-islam then really the EDL should applaud the Muslim council's aims. I got this from the Muslim councils website: 2. Aims and Objectives: The Council shall be a non‐political voluntary organization. Its main objectives shall be: a) To raise awareness about the Muslim culture and values among its members and general public b) To promote friendship, goodwill and understanding among all communities of Cambridgeshire c) To raise awareness against extremism and violence d) To arrange social, cultural, traditional and sport activities for its members including children, young people, men, women and elders e) To arrange welfare and charity based activities f) To promote community cohesion, integration, understanding and tolerance g) To celebrate cultural and historic events important to its members h) To establish goodwill and working relationships between the Council and other local bodies including local government, public departments and other ethnic and cultural associations 3. Membership: a) The associate membership of the Muslim Council will be open to all local residents, groups and organisations of Cambridgeshire who are willing to support and promote the objectives of the Council. Doesn't really sound that bad does it? And let's face it if there are local muslims who hold extreme views, who do you think is more likely to help them convince them they're wrong, fellow Muslims or wannabe football hooligans from Luton and Peterborough marching through our city? I don't have a problem with the EDL's aims but I think it's fairly obvious that they're doing more harm than good. They're playing into the hands of the terrorists and helping to foster this feeling among muslims that everyone is against them. It's not just the EDL though, the actions of our governments have also played into the extremists hands too. It's all quite worrying and makes me scared for what the future holds. Things seem to be getting worse not better.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 26, 2011 9:21:50 GMT
Also noticeable that there are very very few Muslim players in the game. I can think of approx three who have made it into the pro game over the years. How do you know they are Muslim?
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 26, 2011 10:01:41 GMT
I don't believe that there is a problem with a lack of Muslims in the game, rather more of an issue in a lack of Asian players. Religion has nothing to do with Football however we as a nation are wasting a whole section of the community by not encouraging Asian youths to participate in playing more football.
If you watch Premier league football, there is a lots of Asian supporters (Man U comes to mind), this does not filter down to football at our level though. All my Muslim friends support Man U or Liverpool and they all like football as much as the next person.
I don't know if they support Man U because they are glory hunters, do not recognise an area as their home or they are blinded by sponsorship as much as the next Premier league fan? I also believe it depends how young you are - I am in my 20s, so I have friends that are 3/4th generation Asian and see themselves as English as you and I.
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Post by warren62 on Jun 26, 2011 10:05:55 GMT
I'm not sure of population of the city now but 2 years ago it was around 121,000. So if there are 7,000 muslims in the city that would indicate they constitute around 1 in 20 of the population. Our average attendances last year were around 2,500 so if only 10 Muslims made up that you appear to be implying a very poor ratio of around 1 in 250 attending . If your supposition is right, the club should be engaging more with Muslims. As an untapped resource for the club, using your figure of no more than 10 Muslim fans, we could potentially increase our gate and revenue by at least another 100. I wonder how the club fares with attracting Christians to games. Warren, you use phrases like 'wish to integrate fully with our society' the implication is that you are putting up barriers to integration. Surely integration should be facilitative rather than prescriptive. TBH I don't really understand what your getting at because Islam is cross cultural in same way Christianity is. I'm sure this is not an issue of race for you but do wonder if you have a mental image of a Cambridge Muslim as being non white... Mark, I base my assumption of observing the demographic of people in the ground , I am not assuming the Cambridge muslim to be non white , many european nations have strong muslim ethnicities amongst them and yes people have converted to the muslim faith, but again I think the demographic shrinks to a small representative number. Good point about the club potentially missing out on this market - how about an ssi for that sector and other faiths next season - there are wealthly members within the muslim community and maybe they might be encouraged and able to help the club . I am not in favour of EDL or any other such organisation - and certainly wont be around for their march I have better things to occupy my life with , basically i think our society is totally F*cked top to bottom irrespective of rich, poor , black, white, christian. muslim - we've lost to a disease called consumerism and many have lost the abilitym to think and decide for themselves - who is truly evil the like of Murdoch and other media moguls imho . Some of us have tickets for the journey others missed the bus.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 27, 2011 18:57:46 GMT
Do we really want to start doing SSIs aimed at specific faith groups? I don't see the value in that or any reason why we should narrow it down to such a 'niche'. Targeting reas of the city and outlying areas makes sense, as does appealing to local school children. Having an SSI for Jews, Muslims or Christians people just seems odd.
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Post by Mark Peters’ Bonce of Power on Jun 28, 2011 5:42:27 GMT
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 28, 2011 7:27:44 GMT
I don't understand how a counter protest by what could be an equal amount of UAF scumbags is allowed on the same day, really does not allow for any chance of a peaceful protest. Political correctness and human rights laws have created the EDL, if this country were able to expel radical preachers for starters, I'm sure integration would be so much easier and we wouldn't have this mess and argue about it on social network sites.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 28, 2011 7:48:07 GMT
Can you have a counter protest on another day?? And why is someone who is against racism and fascism a scumbag. Whole of Britain were scumbags in the 40s then. Do you really believe the EDL would protest peacefully if there was no opposition to their vile ideals? And expelling a handful of radical muslims would just make everything ok. The EDL and their ilk wouldn't stop there. If they aren't against muslims per se as they claim why are they opposing the building of a mosque?
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 28, 2011 13:11:39 GMT
UAF are infiltrated by the likes of the lefty scumbag trouble makers who hijacked the student protests and the say no to cuts march, basically anywhere you see a Socialist worker banner trouble will follow, in similar fashion Im sure to those who are peaceful on the EDL not wanting to see trouble, look at some of the footage and you will see EDL stewards taking a beating.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 28, 2011 13:22:22 GMT
Look at some of the footage and see Asians being beaten up. UAF maybe infiltrated by trouble makers as are probably many organisations but groups like EDL are full of them. You only have to see the stuff they spout on forums all over the net to get a view of their membership. Peaceful and EDL just don't go together. And for the record I'm a "lefty" but I am neither a scumbag or a troublemaker
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Post by Actually Valid Username on Jun 28, 2011 18:57:04 GMT
It's the anarchists that cause the violence, large numbers of people go to wherever they won't get caught and cause havoc.
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 28, 2011 19:07:01 GMT
I didn't imply all lefties are scumbags and troublemakers, just referring to a group of lefties that were scumbag trouble.
You will find a number on YouTube the worst has to be the disrespectful shouting over 2 mins silence for some of our troops KIA.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 28, 2011 19:07:25 GMT
Anarchists or no anarchists there would still be trouble wherever the EDL are. I can't believe people think they are a bunch of nice guys who cause no trouble.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 28, 2011 19:09:00 GMT
Clicked on those links, Shaun, and got this:
"Waiting for Justin Bieber in Bangkok 0:39 3888 likes, 100 dislikes by zuluwipeout New 12,260 views In Top Favourited"
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