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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jul 13, 2011 18:13:33 GMT
My impression is that its less to do with education and more to do with attitude to others. You don't need an education to know how to be civil to others. People with right wing attitudes tend to be out to blame some group of people they feel they don't belong to and feel are cheating them or a wider society in some way. That's the bit I find so baffling. How can anything productive come out of aiming such horrid thoughts to a fellow human being. My experience is that we all benefit when we work together for the common good. Mark your post makes complete sense and personally that's how I feel. Judging somebody by the colour of their skin is idiotic, how you can hate someone because they have more pigment in their skin baffles me. Also hating just one group of people who are brainwashed by religion, but not another baffles me too. However it is all good sitting on our perches looking down on people who may not be as well educated and may seem ignorant but I have never lost my job due to immigration and lower wages, every foreign person I know is nice and I don't feel like a stranger in my own town. In the fens, particularly Wisbech and March, the population has increased by over 25% in under 10 years (according to the local government) and this is nearly completely made up of foreign nationals. The jobs there have not increased by anywhere near the same amount. Investment has scare-sly increased and foreign nationals are taking the jobs there, which many bosses will only take people of similar ethnicity/ language. Cambridge is lucky to never had experienced any problems and we have boomed due to foreign investment and having foreign workers. There are enough jobs for everyone. The main group that loses out are White, working class men. The exact people that are in groups like the EDL. Its really not rocket science why people believe this rubbish, its about changing their opinions. This isn't done by mocking them but educating them.
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Post by cambcam on Jul 13, 2011 18:26:40 GMT
Maybe the less educated are in fact the people most affected by immigration/migration etc?
I`d have thought some Old Etonian MP with fingers in a lot of pies is doing quite well from the current situation thank you very much, and gives little thought to those being shafted as he buggers off to his country pile for the weekend in his Jag.
How can he relate to someone struggling to make ends meet, who`s terms and conditions are being undermined by his new eastern european work colleagues, whilst being on a never ending council house waiting list and feeling thoroughly fed up sitting in a doctors waiting room being the only person that can speak English?
It would be interesting to know how our views relate to our lifestyles, and certainly our incomes.
I`d suggest government policy is made by those least affected, and only when those at the top are affected, would we see change.
In the meanwhile the foot soldiers and great unwashed can lump it.
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Post by stirstick on Jul 13, 2011 18:54:04 GMT
Not sure Im any the wiser, sorry. Bit thick! Never understood semantics.
Looks as though CFU is doing a pretty good job and will continue with Kick It Out activities by the sound of it. Havent heard that it wont.
So...coming back to the point of this thread. What IS the problem with a new Church for British citizens on Mill Rd. Going to have a lovely coffee shop and will be a very attractive eco-friendly building - first of its kind - with underground car parking.
An improvement on Mawson Rd where residents have to cope with the parked cars and general traffic created by the congregation. Similar moves have also been made in recent years by Cambridge Community Church (C3)
Worked for them. Seems like a very good idea.
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Post by Lurid on Jul 14, 2011 4:43:27 GMT
Is it just me that feels we should have a group hug at the first friendly match?
Okay THAT was taking the piss, but it is nice to know people are taking the effort to listen and consider other points of view. Now that's what I call educational.
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Post by gstictok on Jul 14, 2011 5:05:42 GMT
Extremists on both sides feel cheated thats why they hold extreme views - however when we are United in Endeavour the common good wins
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 7:44:04 GMT
Slight observation.
People defending EDL, poor grammar and random use of capitals.
People against EDL, mostly decent grammar and no use of long passages in capitals.
Strange correlation don't you think?
omfg u ignorant twit maybe cause the edl aint all uni kids ,most edl live in the parts were the white and black english people are getting houndrd out by imigration and communitys of extremist muslims, look at luton only the football crowd in that area were white. no im not in the edl but can see why these groups are getting bigger
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Post by cambcam on Jul 14, 2011 7:54:24 GMT
You don`t need to come out with stuff like that - look at the posts on page 9 alone.
I understand your feelings of being mocked, but those doing the mocking have been made to look pretty stupid too.
Overall this has been an interesting debate with all sides having their say, maybe there is in fact some healthy middle ground if we are all prepared to be reasonable and look for it.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 14, 2011 8:01:04 GMT
I take being called a 'Uni twit' a compliment - especially as I'm not quite old enough for that yet.
Again if any of my posts offend you, please tell me why, I haven't used abusive language (you have) I havent made it personal and I certainly haven't said your point is invalid because of the way you speak.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jul 14, 2011 9:11:25 GMT
Mixed in with the abuse, it seems upmyownass is actually agreeing with your assertion anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 12:15:17 GMT
no i was quoting his stuff actully mr greaves, most people on here are smug as anything, they hide behind there laptops have a go at various people about spelling and gramour.
with the ones here supporting the uaf do you think its right graffiting silver street, well i dont that is as bad as walking the streets saying no more mosques
hope my caps and spelling is ok for you CUFCfanCUFC
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jul 14, 2011 12:18:54 GMT
"omfg u ignorant twit maybe cause the edl aint all uni kids"
That seems to suggest you agree and understand the reasons why.
Nobody is 'having a go' at anyone. The only abuse on here is from you calling someone a 'twit'.
And not everybody on here is 'hiding' behind something - some of us use our real names and can be contacted very easily.
"most people on here as smug anyything"
I'm sure 'most people' will be pleased to hear that.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 14, 2011 14:05:25 GMT
no i was quoting his stuff actully mr greaves, most people on here are smug as anything, they hide behind there laptops have a go at various people about spelling and gramour. with the ones here supporting the uaf do you think its right graffiting silver street, well i dont that is as bad as walking the streets saying no more mosques hope my caps and spelling is ok for you CUFCfanCUFC Your spelling and 'gramour' is still terrible (try taking my advice about a spellchecker) but at least you make some reasonable points here. Both marches were wrong, although I would say I agree with the UAF, I also agree walking through towns graffiting (is that a word, my spellchecker doesn't like it) is a bad way to gain support, it's bloody annoying and think of the tax payers money spent on police overtime. Both parties were in the wrong in my opinion.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 14, 2011 14:10:06 GMT
'walking down the streets saying no more mosques'
That's one way of describing it.
Here's another...
Marching through the town centre causing chaos, chanting 'No more mosques!' and hurling abuse.
Both descriptions are correct, they just paint very different pictures. Amazing what a few adjectives can change.
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