|
Post by bamberamber on Jul 12, 2011 18:24:26 GMT
I iz inn favor of the DEL, dey is da nutz. I couldn't possibly comment on your observations!
|
|
|
Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 12, 2011 18:27:57 GMT
I'm not at all suggesting that people with greater intelligence generally are against the EDL, tht wood b stoopid.
|
|
|
Post by bamberamber on Jul 12, 2011 18:41:28 GMT
eye no dis!
|
|
|
Post by Hugh Jerection on Jul 12, 2011 19:05:08 GMT
To be honest guys you aren't coming across any better - attack the argument not the person.
There are many positives and negatives to immigration and the lower paid, working classes have lost more jobs and opportunities due to immigration than everyone else. Unfortunately these are the people with less investment in education therefore may not be able to get their point across in the same way.
The positives of immigration tend to be had by the upper classes that can appreciate their hard work and input, mostly because they earn more money from it.
Ignorance, lack of investment and lack of education go hand in hand I'm afraid.
|
|
|
Post by bamberamber on Jul 12, 2011 19:13:58 GMT
Yes but I'm not attacking a person I'm attacking an ignorant mindset.
I've named no names, I've even stated in an earlier post that you can't tar the entire membership of the EDL with the same brush....
|
|
soulhalshall
Youth team star
Posts: 1,460
Favourite CUFC player: Courtney Pitt
|
Post by soulhalshall on Jul 12, 2011 20:16:00 GMT
Actually cambridgebob, I think those who are questioning/against the EDL have been very reasonable in this thread, despite some of the ill conceived postings of the group's supporters on here.
|
|
MartinL
Reserve team star
Posts: 4,071
|
Post by MartinL on Jul 12, 2011 20:25:44 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Hugh Jerection on Jul 12, 2011 20:41:42 GMT
Actually cambridgebob, I think those who are questioning/against the EDL have been very reasonable in this thread, despite some of the ill conceived postings of the group's supporters on here. I agree, however their posts are ill conceived and ignorant, not stupid. I believe their opinion should be treated as such. For the past 7 odd pages there has been a genuine debate of opinions - I would like to think that we can have a genuine debate without resorting to taking the piss and perhaps we would not have to go down to that level. Anyway I'm just sticking up for the thick kid
|
|
|
Post by stirstick on Jul 12, 2011 20:45:16 GMT
Orchardpark..
When have CFU ever invited UAF to the Abbey. Give an example. Facts please or do they get in the way?
Warren62..
So when CFU organise (for instance anti-racist) Kick It Out days every October, presumably you are uncomfortable with this.. and with every other club/supporters trust in the land that does the same? If not then isnt it inconsistent if they are silent when the biggest racist thugfest comes to town.
Should they have no community agenda and stick to free painting and saving up to buy the club?
I am told CFU Trust did not officially endorse/not endorse though individual members did, in solidarity with many of the groups they have worked with when seeking to expand the fanbase into the ethnic communities of Cambridge. Were they wrong, Warren?
I am also told that CFU have a community forum that meets from time to time to discuss its activities. Maybe you would like to find out when next they meet and you can make your veiws known/have your questions answered/offer you help.
|
|
Mark of Carnage
Reserve team substitute
Responsibility, Resilience, Respect
Posts: 2,559
|
Post by Mark of Carnage on Jul 12, 2011 22:07:36 GMT
There are many positives and negatives to immigration and the lower paid, working classes have lost more jobs and opportunities due to immigration than everyone else. Unfortunately these are the people with less investment in education therefore may not be able to get their point across in the same way. The positives of immigration tend to be had by the upper classes that can appreciate their hard work and input, mostly because they earn more money from it. Don't forget the most important positive is to the migrant worker themselves. If they can't get work here they tend to go home. Same as you would if you went abroad to work and it didn't work out. The UK is not an easy place to be when your not familiar with it and your weekly income drops to JSA at £67.50. And it is obviously a positive thing for people who are granted leave to remain to stay here. We have loads of restrictions on movement of people into the UK so I think the UK has already bent over backwards to pander to the 'xenophobes' amongst us. I really think, given that we are well into the 21st century now that its about time we truly accepted cosmopolitanism and just got on with it without moaning.
|
|
|
Post by warren62 on Jul 12, 2011 23:23:40 GMT
Warren62.. So when CFU organise (for instance anti-racist) Kick It Out days every October, presumably you are uncomfortable with this.. and with every other club/supporters trust in the land that does the same? If not then isnt it inconsistent if they are silent when the biggest racist thugfest comes to town. As i said before, I believe this to be old hat and a waste of time and effort - how many years -has anything changed? Not that i can see . Getting players to wear a T shirt in their warm up and a few prom photos hardly solves racial issues. As before CFU should have no political mandate, to my knowledge I dont think they exist as a political organisation merely a sport club supporters group- they should have not have been required to get involved - or have I missed something?Should they have no community agenda and stick to free painting and saving up to buy the club? -they will hopefully never buy the club thank god or allah. please do not confuse community with political - community is all views and acceptance and tolerance of other views - , political alignment is a subsection .I am told CFU Trust did not officially endorse/not endorse though individual members did, in solidarity with many of the groups they have worked with when seeking to expand the fanbase into the ethnic communities of Cambridge. Were they wrong, Warren? You are told, so, thats ok then I totally believe you , as you are so well informed and there is no offical public domain information - and yes because some members do not agree with that viewpoint - wont repeat myself . Maybe the press should hav eexcluded the words CFU as apparently individuals not CFU , makes big difference when you link the word CFU inI am also told that CFU have a community forum that meets from time to time to discuss its activities. Maybe you would like to find out when next they meet and you can make your veiws known/have your questions answered/offer you help. Your told a lot of things . Sadly I am involved in other sport/ community groups that take up my time. But maybe when that project completes
For the record and i do not think you have read my posts I have no interest in either EDL or UAF thought that would be quite clear. Neither can cure the problems in this country although both can cause more damage. I dont care what a person is like or their origin/religion its the contribution they make to society that is important. No one individual is more important than another unless they scrounge off the state .
I look forward to the EDL parading against the proposed mosque in wardy hill. and the UAF and other pc correct groups counter demonstrating.Read more: cambridgeunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1326&page=8#ixzz1Rw1e2F72
|
|
Mark of Carnage
Reserve team substitute
Responsibility, Resilience, Respect
Posts: 2,559
|
Post by Mark of Carnage on Jul 13, 2011 5:53:01 GMT
For the record and i do not think you have read my posts I have no interest in either EDL or UAF thought that would be quite clear. And yet here you are lacing your posts with right wing snippets on a thread about the EDL
|
|
|
Post by stirstick on Jul 13, 2011 6:11:04 GMT
CFU appear to have to carry out a balancing act then dont they? They appear to do it very well.
Members will have your veiw. Other members wont and WOULD expect CFU to take a position. If individual CFU Trust members take a position which is publicised and you dont like it, Warren you can always, as members, un-elect them. Un-elect the lot if so animated, or as I say ask to attend a community forum. (Nick Parker is the person to speak to, was last season anyway.Should be able to help).
Could always stand for election yourself - Oh I forgot - too busy. O well, opportunity wont go away.
You have a point though about attribution. Im sure that if they having anything done in their name without their consent it will be addressed.
You seem to want to restrict CFU, Warren, basically into everything you do and dont agree with. Your premise that Kick It Out always fails and always will, is a piece of political polemic and by all accounts wrong. On that premise you believe CFU shouldnt embark on anything that may not work. Again very restricting.
Out of interest Warren, what do you think they SHOULD be doing that they are presently NOT doing.
Incidentally community and politics (small 'p'). When has any community issue ever not been political (small 'p')? After a considerable lifetime of community activity I have never encountered any subject that somewhere wont involve a political (big 'P' and small 'p') response or outcome or indeed on occasions stance.
Would love to read all your other posts Warren, but like you, bit busy.
|
|
|
Post by oliworth on Jul 13, 2011 6:33:52 GMT
I'm sure no one would object to CFU getting involved in football tournaments with a Kick It Out message, which is a football based charity; indeed, many would encourage it. But like it or not, that kind of thing, which is ancillary to their principle footballing purpose, is very different to actively going beyond football and becoming affiliated - if, they have - to a political march which has no links to football.
I have no strong views on whether it should be involved or not, but if it wants to get involved in community activism beyond football it should make that clear to it's member (maybe it has?). I am surprised that it would have had time to consult with it's members over its backing of any political march (if, again, it actually has), especially given its sparse resources and the ongoing 'community club' dream.
|
|
|
Post by warren62 on Jul 13, 2011 6:45:02 GMT
CFU appear to have to carry out a balancing act then dont they? They appear to do it very well. Members will have your veiw. Other members wont and WOULD expect CFU to take a position. If individual CFU Trust members take a position which is publicised and you dont like it, Warren you can always, as members, un-elect them. Un-elect the lot if so animated, or as I say ask to attend a community forum. (Nick Parker is the person to speak to, was last season anyway.Should be able to help). Could always stand for election yourself - Oh I forgot - too busy. O well, opportunity wont go away. You have a point though about attribution. Im sure that if they having anything done in their name without their consent it will be addressed. You seem to want to restrict CFU, Warren, basically into everything you do and dont agree with. Your premise that Kick It Out always fails and always will, is a piece of political polemic and by all accounts wrong. On that premise you believe CFU shouldnt embark on anything that may not work. Again very restricting. Out of interest Warren, what do you think they SHOULD be doing that they are presently NOT doing. Incidentally community and politics (small 'p'). When has any community issue ever not been political (small 'p')? After a considerable lifetime of community activity I have never encountered any subject that somewhere wont involve a political (big 'P' and small 'p') response or outcome or indeed on occasions stance. Would love to read all your other posts Warren, but like you, bit busy. Simple really CFU should focus purely on matters relating to positively promoting and assisting the activities of Cambridge United Football Club and acting as a unified voice of its members on football club related matters. What else is there for CFU to exist for?
|
|