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Post by warren62 on Jul 13, 2011 6:46:43 GMT
For the record and i do not think you have read my posts I have no interest in either EDL or UAF thought that would be quite clear. And yet here you are lacing your posts with right wing snippets on a thread about the EDL My political views are to the right of centre so that follows , it doesnt mean I support rascist and extremist politics does it?
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Post by orchardpark on Jul 13, 2011 9:40:49 GMT
Orchardpark.. When have CFU ever invited UAF to the Abbey. Give an example. Facts please or do they get in the way? I remember reading an article, either in programme or on net, that CFU invited UAF to a game at the Abbey, i was not at said game but was suprised when i read it. It was along the lines of stopping the spread of the EDl or similar. Will try to locate this to confirm. By the way, my own political views are mixed, I find the political status of this country to be very stale, it needs a very big shake up. I was once a very black and white thinking person, that misses out all the grey areas. Pointing at another group and shouting fascist, another pointing and shouting Commie is far too simple. Underneath it lies real concerns of real people. For example, many people have concerns that the EDL cover, but they would not march or join because of the racist/thicko image. Those very same people may also have concerns about far right groups and hatred because of a skin colour. They exist in the grey of both, people like me. CFU is a fans organisation for supporters of cambridge United FC, whatever political belief. They can do all the community work to promote CUFC they see fit. The more people at the Abbey the better, joined as CUFC. Marching and shouting slogans against other CUFC fans who may think differently does not fit with this. Having a stall at a community event on parkers piece is different than marching around the streets of Cambridge with a 'sometimes violent group'. IMO. Individuals from CFU can do whatever they like. I have no problem with Kick it out. Anybody should be able to enjoy going to or playing football.
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Post by orchardpark on Jul 13, 2011 10:17:29 GMT
29 Sep 2010 – Members of Cambridge UAF were joined by fans of Cambridge United to leaflet the club's game with Newport on Saturday 25 September
Quick search came up with this.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 13, 2011 10:21:29 GMT
If I recall correctly that happened because the EDL had been leafleting without our permission a couple of games before.
There was outcry at the time of the EDL being there and it seems only fair that both groups had their chance. The only difference is the UAF were allowed to be there.
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Post by El Goodo on Jul 13, 2011 10:27:54 GMT
29 Sep 2010 – Members of Cambridge UAF were joined by fans of Cambridge United to leaflet the club's game with Newport on Saturday 25 September Quick search came up with this. Again though, fans of Cambridge United is quite different from Cambridge Fans United
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Post by cufc4life on Jul 13, 2011 11:50:20 GMT
So many of you are so ignorant and so far up your own arse's its unbelievable!! what the hell has someones grammer and they way they talk/spell got to do with what they believe??
Im sorry but thats got NOTHING to do with what they believe as far as im concerned. isnt that called discrimination or am i wrong?? hmmmmmm
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Post by oliworth on Jul 13, 2011 12:40:41 GMT
So many of you are so ignorant and so far up your own arse's its unbelievable!! what the hell has someones grammer and they way they talk/spell got to do with what they believe?? Im sorry but thats got NOTHING to do with what they believe as far as im concerned. isnt that called discrimination or am i wrong?? hmmmmmm You're right, it has nothing to do with that. But an inability to elucidate your beliefs does make it difficult for people to understand them, particularly when mostly what they have to go on are moronic chants at a lager-fuelled protest march.
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Post by warren62 on Jul 13, 2011 12:49:03 GMT
So many of you are so ignorant and so far up your own arse's its unbelievable!! what the hell has someones grammer and they way they talk/spell got to do with what they believe?? Im sorry but thats got NOTHING to do with what they believe as far as im concerned. isnt that called discrimination or am i wrong?? hmmmmmm If defending england and englishness however described, it is I feel an advantage to the debate to show a good knowledge of the language. Having a better perceived level of education is not discrimation just shows an individual made better use of education system.
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Post by cufc4life on Jul 13, 2011 13:11:26 GMT
no taking the p.i.s.s out of people becuase there ill educated is discrimination! surely? ignorance and arrogance comes to mind for alot of people on here!
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Post by soulhalshall on Jul 13, 2011 13:34:25 GMT
You don't need an education to communicate coherently. It's about having a bit of pride in your communication; that is open to anyone. There are plenty of people who have had good educations but still take little care in their writing.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jul 13, 2011 14:22:58 GMT
A person's education could actually have a great deal to do with what they believe. If our opinions are rational, they are based on what we know, if we don't know much then we may be inclined to believe anything.
Take the statement made earlier about 'becoming a minority in our own country' - a person educated on the facts (and a quick check of the census is all it takes in this case) will know that to be erroneous.
Hence, in this case, a lack of education has led to a baseless view which is demonstrably wrong.
So, if a person's writing does betray their lack of education, there could be a reasonable basis for believing that their point of view is ill-informed.
In this instance, it is the opinions themselves which cast doubt over the poster's level of intelligence, rather than simply the way he has expressed them.
However, there are many well-informed people who happen to be quite poor at expressing themselves in writing.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 13, 2011 15:34:09 GMT
Wait, I never took the "p.i.s.s" out of your spelling, I'm happy for Russ to delete any posts you are not happy with if you use the report post function and justify yourself.
I was just saying it was interesting that there appears to be a link between poor spelling and/or grammar and people supporting the EDL.
This could be down to many things:
- Pure coincidence - Certain less educated areas supporting a group - Less educated people not understanding the whole issue and not listening to other sides of the argument.
I know which I believe, but at no point I have ever intentionally taken the piss.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 13, 2011 15:42:23 GMT
A person's education could actually have a great deal to do with what they believe. If our opinions are rational, they are based on what we know, if we don't know much then we may be inclined to believe anything. Take the statement made earlier about 'becoming a minority in our own country' - a person educated on the facts (and a quick check of the census is all it takes in this case) will know that to be erroneous. Hence, in this case, a lack of education has led to a baseless view which is demonstrably wrong. So, if a person's writing does betray their lack of education, there could be a reasonable basis for believing that their point of view is ill-informed. In this instance, it is the opinions themselves which cast doubt over the poster's level of intelligence, rather than simply the way he has expressed them. However, there are many well-informed people who happen to be quite poor at expressing themselves in writing. Indeed Russ, education impacts everything and in my opinion people who say it is irrelevant are immediatly highlighted as uneducated. I'm not saying you have to use fancy words but taking pride in writing is important, learning basic capitalisation rules and using a spell checker goes a long way to make people listen to you. I spell words incorrectly, for instance I made some errors in this post but I spent 2 minutes and checked it.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jul 13, 2011 17:37:29 GMT
My impression is that its less to do with education and more to do with attitude to others. You don't need an education to know how to be civil to others. People with right wing attitudes tend to be out to blame some group of people they feel they don't belong to and feel are cheating them or a wider society in some way. That's the bit I find so baffling. How can anything productive come out of aiming such horrid thoughts to a fellow human being. My experience is that we all benefit when we work together for the common good.
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Post by warren62 on Jul 13, 2011 17:44:03 GMT
Funnily enough I have similiar thoughts about left wing groups - people who feel cheated and outsiders with an axe to grind (unless pacifists) ;-). Totally agree with that last sentence , we just approach from a different perspective.
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